This just in - pedo priests gay, not celibate!

[AshtonBlack]

Not until the "salvaging" has ended and there are no more pedophiles in the RCC...

Not until that RCC changes its archaic and unnatural policy of being staffed by frock-wearing virgins will that day ever come. This is not a one-off occurrence, it is a symptom of an intrinsically degenerate institution.

And everyone sitting around at the end of the purge, exhausted wondering what to do next can turn their attention to lesser, trivial problems like pedophile pornography being sold on the SECULAR internet day in day out.

And people can start searching for all the pedophiles who fled the catholic church and headed for SECULAR organizations like the scouts, the police force, the militia, the schools, the sporting clubs, the child care centres, the youth hostels, etc, etc ,etc.

Oh this thinly-veiled argument is coming up a lot recently from the apologists: "Hey the church isn't really that bad because there are paedophiles in other professions, too!"

1. Schools, police, military, sporting clubs, child-care centres and youth hostels don't make it official policy to conceal criminal activity from the police, and move offenders to another school, police station, etc. as a matter of course. The church, however, does, and that is what all the fuss is about in case you hadn't realised.

2. Schools, police, etc. aren't the ones proclaiming to be THE earthly conduit of the creator of the Universe and the absolute arbiters of morality, which just makes the extent of the hypocrisy so egregious in the case of the Catholic Crutch.

Why do you churchies ALWAYS have to try to turn the issue away from the church?? This issue is about the Church, and trying to dilute the issue by pointing out that the rest of society is not perfect either is just pathetic.

Great post. +1 Very well said.

[colubridae]

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Why do you churchies ALWAYS have to try to turn the issue away from the church?? This issue is about the Church, and trying to dilute it by pointing out that the rest of society is not perfect either is just pathetic.

+1


tj

[Rum]

And everyone sitting around at the end of the purge, exhausted wondering what to do next can turn their attention to lesser, trivial problems like pedophile pornography being sold on the SECULAR internet day in day out. And people can start searching for all the pedophiles who fled the catholic church and headed for SECULAR organizations like the scouts, the police force, the militia, the schools, the sporting clubs, the child care centres, the youth hostels, etc, etc ,etc.

Lion (IRC)

Fuck me you guys never give up do you?

You never recognise just how appalling your shit is?

None of these organisations you name set themselves up as the ultimate moral authority.

None of them self-elect a chief ‘executive’ who was central to the cover up process.

If covering up hadn’t been ubiquitous ‘fleeing’ to other organisations wouldn’t have been such a viable option.

Anything rather that face the horrifying truth.

Why use a word like purge. Use a much more appropriate phrase like ‘bring to justice the pederasts/rapists of young children and co-conspirators to pervert the course of justice’

It’s just more theist spin, not a million miles from a ratzy cover-up.

+1. However in addition the other organisations you refer to have robust safeguarding processes in place to check new members. The RC church has had no such system, because it was assumed that their 'moral superiority' made them above reproach and suspicion!

[Lion IRC]

I hope every single person who assists pedophiles or puts the reputation of the catholic church above the safety of children is named and shamed and meticulously punished to the full extent of the law.
Lion (IRC)

Fuck me you guys never give up do you?

You never recognise just how appalling your shit is?

Lets play quote mine shall we?
No I will never "give up"
"Appalling"?
What is appalling to you? You think EVERY catholic supports pedophilia, wants things covered up?
Dont forget the VICTIMS were/are catholics - or perhaps you think they contributed to the problem too?
How far down does your anti-catholic hate go?

Lion (IRC)

[Lion IRC]

1. Schools, police, military, sporting clubs, child-care centres and youth hostels don't make it official policy to conceal criminal activity from the police,

You have GOT to be joking! No corruption in the police force?

That is the most naive thing I have EVER heard you say CJ

Lion (IRC)

[Lion IRC]

The RC church has had no such system, because it was assumed that their 'moral superiority' made them above reproach and suspicion!

In Australia every catholic priest requires a "Working with Children" police check.

Lion (IRC)

[charlou]

Dont forget the VICTIMS were/are catholics

No, they were children who were at the mercy of a religious institution and the associated culture, and who had no choice about their predicament. Like all children, everywhere, those children have no say in the environment they're raised in, the dogma they're fed, and the treatment they receive. And it's not just about the children, for those children grow up to become adults who, unless they have other influences in their experience that challenges it (broad education, observation of cultural diversity, access to people in their lives who break with received wisdom/tradition, for example), will usually perpetuate the culture they were raised in. It's those things - broad education, observation of cultural diversity, access to people in their lives who break with received wisdom/tradition, access to a wide range of information and opinions, etc - that are our childrens best chance of moving on from the narrow confines of institutionalised dogma, tradition and encultured labeling.

[Ian]

Dont forget the VICTIMS were/are catholics

No, they were children who were at the mercy of a religious institution and the associated culture, and who had no choice about their predicament. Like all children, everywhere, those children have no say in the environment they're raised in, the dogma they're fed, and the treatment they receive. And it's not just about the children, for those children grow up to become adults who, unless they have other influences in their experience that challenges it (broad education, observation of cultural diversity, access to people in their lives who break with received wisdom/tradition, for example), will usually perpetuate the culture they were raised in. It's those things - broad education, observation of cultural diversity, access to people in their lives who break with received wisdom/tradition, access to a wide range of information and opinions, etc - that are our childrens best chance of moving on from the narrow confines of institutionalised dogma, tradition and encultured labeling.

+1

Lion, just give it up already. Catholicism itself created the problem. You're nothing but an apologist.

[orpheus]

Dont forget the VICTIMS were/are catholics

No, they were children who were at the mercy of a religious institution and the associated culture, and who had no choice about their predicament. Like all children, everywhere, those children have no say in the environment they're raised in, the dogma they're fed, and the treatment they receive. And it's not just about the children, for those children grow up to become adults who, unless they have other influences in their experience that challenges it (broad education, observation of cultural diversity, access to people in their lives who break with received wisdom/tradition, for example), will usually perpetuate the culture they were raised in. It's those things - broad education, observation of cultural diversity, access to people in their lives who break with received wisdom/tradition, access to a wide range of information and opinions, etc - that are our childrens best chance of moving on from the narrow confines of institutionalised dogma, tradition and encultured labeling.

Well said.

+1

[CookieJon]

1. Schools, police, military, sporting clubs, child-care centres and youth hostels don't make it official policy to conceal criminal activity from the police,

You have GOT to be joking! No corruption in the police force?

Take a breath, and read properly what I wrote, Lion.

Did I say there is "no corruption in the police force"? No.

What I did say was that is not the police department's official policy to ensure criminals escape legal justice.

It was (and is) however, the Catholic Church's official policy to ensure criminal behaviour is hushed up, the victims either bought off or threatened into silence, and the perpetrators allowed to continue within in the institution unscathed. And all to protect the image of the church over and above the welfare of its victims, no less!

That is the most naive thing I have EVER heard you say CJ

That's probably because you put your own spin on it.

[Lion IRC]

Hi CookieJon,

Official policy VERSUS Keeping it a secret.

OF COURSE A SECRET POLICY OF COVER UP IS NOT OFFICIAL!

Oregon man awarded $1.4M in Boy Scouts sex case

Scouts Abuse Case By WILLIAM McCALL, Associated Press Writer William Mccall, Associated Press Writer – Tue Apr 13, 6:30 pm ET

PORTLAND, Ore. – A jury delivered an embarrassing rebuke to the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday when it found that the organization failed to protect a man who was molested by an assistant Scoutmaster in the early 1980s.

Jurors awarded $1.4 million to the former Portland man and decided that the Irving, Texas-based organization was liable for up to $25 million in punitive damages that will be decided in a separate phase of the trial.

Over the first three weeks of testimony, secret Scout "perversion files" — records of known sex offenders — were used as evidence, though it's unclear if jurors consulted the documents while deliberating over two days.

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5443

Lion (IRC)
PS - Charlou, there are perhaps a billion catholic victims of this abuse.

[Feck]

Even the church is going to go bankrupt at 1.4 million a case

[Ian]

Hi CookieJon,

Official policy VERSUS Keeping it a secret.

OF COURSE A SECRET POLICY OF COVER UP IS NOT OFFICIAL!

Oregon man awarded $1.4M in Boy Scouts sex case

Scouts Abuse Case By WILLIAM McCALL, Associated Press Writer William Mccall, Associated Press Writer – Tue Apr 13, 6:30 pm ET

PORTLAND, Ore. – A jury delivered an embarrassing rebuke to the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday when it found that the organization failed to protect a man who was molested by an assistant Scoutmaster in the early 1980s.

Jurors awarded $1.4 million to the former Portland man and decided that the Irving, Texas-based organization was liable for up to $25 million in punitive damages that will be decided in a separate phase of the trial.

Over the first three weeks of testimony, secret Scout "perversion files" — records of known sex offenders — were used as evidence, though it's unclear if jurors consulted the documents while deliberating over two days.

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5443

Lion (IRC)
PS - Charlou, there are perhaps a billion catholic victims of this abuse.

Lion... so you're saying there's legal precedent to hold an organization itself liable for trying to cover up the paedophile actions of some of its employees?
I think you just made our case for us!

[Lion IRC]

Hi Ian,

What on earth gives you the impression that I am an apologist for pedophiles or a supporter of people who put the "reputation of the church" ahead of the welfare of children?

Blind Freddy can see what a monumental act of stupidity and ego it was to try and protect the reputation of the church by repeatedly taking bundles of dynamite and burying them for 20 - 30 years until the pile got so big it could no longer be hidden - then guess what happened next?

Lion (IRC)

[Lion IRC]

Many countries have mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse and it is an offence not to.
Similarly most jurisdictions have provision to charge someone for;

Aiding and abetting
Being an accessory after the fact
Harboring a known felon
Perverting the course of justice.
Destroying evidence.

The clock is ticking.

The bible is getting louder. Time to reap what has been sown.

The pope knows exactly what is meant by submission to “governing authorities” (Romans 13.1) and he knows that “rendering unto Caesar” is not JUST about paying taxes.

Nicodemus (a religious leader) secretly came to Jesus under the cover of night. Noting this, Jesus warned him about evil doers who prefer to do things in the darkness. (John 3:19) and the pope knows “Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed”

A millstone really would have been better for anyone who contributed to sin involving “these little ones”. The pope knows full well the words of Jesus which say woe to those “through whom” these sinful things come – the facilitators of sin against children who lie to or abuse children or try to teach them that such things are NOT sins. (Luke 17:1)

There are perhaps a billion catholic victims of this abuse wondering how any one in charge could have been so stupid and egotistical as to think “the reputation” of the church was worth selling so cheaply. 30 pieces of silver for gullible Judas to betray Jesus?

What possessed any church leader to think that the discovery of a pedophile needed to be covered up for “the greater good”?

What a joke. What lack of faith in God!

Satan must be laughing so hard.

Lion (IRC)