Will anyone protest the Pope

[Trolldor]

They didn't risk anything by protesting. They either committed Vandalism or attacked someone, nothing to do with their protest.

[RuleBritannia]

Nobody protests anymore, man. Nobody takes risks anymore. Not in the Western World, anyway. Look at Iran, those were protests.

London. Recently.

Recently? One of the signs says "Bush, Blair, Hands off Iran", Tony Blair hasn't been Prime Minister for over two and a half years.

[RuleBritannia]

Of cause I'm sure we all remember the Iraq war protests, millions of people taking part in thousands of marches around the world, and it worked, those peaceful demonstrations sent a message to our leaders that we didn't this war, and of cause they bowed down and scrapped their plans for inva...

Oh wait, , no that's not how it happened.

[Trolldor]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

[RuleBritannia]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

Yep, reminds me of the Poll Tax Riots, no pussy footing about with peaceful marches, just some good old fashioned looting, vandalism and civil disobedience, the result? No more Poll Tax and see you fucking later Margaret Thatcher, job done.

[Valden]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

Yep, reminds me of the Poll Tax Riots, no pussy footing about with peaceful marches, just some good old fashioned looting, vandalism and civil disobedience, the result? No more Poll Tax and see you fucking later Margaret Thatcher, job done.

Wouldn't that be neat? I can't help but think a lot of people are just too damn scared to go that far. The risk of being sent to prison can be scary to some.

But now this man, Thích Quảng Đức...


Certainly knew how to protest!

[Trolldor]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

Yep, reminds me of the Poll Tax Riots, no pussy footing about with peaceful marches, just some good old fashioned looting, vandalism and civil disobedience, the result? No more Poll Tax and see you fucking later Margaret Thatcher, job done.

That was a riot, it was supposed to be messy. But you could do a lot more damage simply by having people block the CBD roads than you could smashing some poor man's Fish and Chip shop.

[Rum]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

OK, so every time there are enough people who don't like something the government is doing gets mad enough they have a riot and storm buildings? Who chooses what issues to riot and storm buildings about? Suppose the BNP feel unrepresented and get enough louts together to burn down a communist office. That OK too? FFS.

You don't know you have been born.

[RuleBritannia]

But now this man, Thích Quảng Đức...

I love that photo, it's both beautiful and horrific at the same time.

[Rum]

But now this man, Thích Quảng Đức...

I love that photo, it's both beautiful and horrific at the same time.

No. Its horrific.

[Trolldor]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

Yep, reminds me of the Poll Tax Riots, no pussy footing about with peaceful marches, just some good old fashioned looting, vandalism and civil disobedience, the result? No more Poll Tax and see you fucking later Margaret Thatcher, job done.

Wouldn't that be neat? I can't help but think a lot of people are just too damn scared to go that far. The risk of being sent to prison can be scary to some.

But now this man, Thích Quảng Đức...


Certainly knew how to protest!

Maybe a step too far, but one man became an idol. What I'd be interested to see is the rest of that photo. It's amazing what they cut out, and how much it can change the feel of the photo.


People may remember the most infamous Vietnam photo of the girl hit by napalm? All along the side are journalists taking pictures. The photo goes from horrifying to disgusting.

OK, so every time there are enough people who don't like something the government is doing gets mad enough they have a riot and storm buildings? Who chooses what issues to riot and storm buildings about? Suppose the BNP feel unrepresented and get enough louts together to burn down a communist office. That OK too? FFS.

You don't know you have been born.

Once again you've added words to my post. Try again. When you figure out where you went wrong then I'll answer you.

No. Its horrific.

How narrow. So all you see in that picture is fire? Nothing at all about the man gets through to you?

[RuleBritannia]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

OK, so every time there are enough people who don't like something the government is doing gets mad enough they have a riot and storm buildings? Who chooses what issues to riot and storm buildings about? Suppose the BNP feel unrepresented and get enough louts together to burn down a communist office. That OK too? FFS.

You don't know you have been born.

Please, mass civil disobedience is democracy in action, it's the rule of the people. A bunch of twats from the BNP is not the same thing.

[Rum]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

OK, so every time there are enough people who don't like something the government is doing gets mad enough they have a riot and storm buildings? Who chooses what issues to riot and storm buildings about? Suppose the BNP feel unrepresented and get enough louts together to burn down a communist office. That OK too? FFS.

You don't know you have been born.

Please, mass civil disobedience is democracy in action, it's the rule of the people. A bunch of twats from the BNP is not the same thing.

OK, this is the first time the term 'mass civil disobedience' has been used and I agree. It isn't the same thing. But the key word is 'mass'. Who is to say when a movement is truly a 'mass' one? We take a view - we take sides using our own perspective as the one in the right. Most people here assume for example, that the protests in Iran are 'right' and reflect mass opinion. The reality is so mixed I doubt if anyone knows. There are millions who probably support and Islamic republic in more or less its present form.

And yet if the protesters won (which seems unlikely) people would say it was a 'victory'.

[Rum]

Imagine how much more effective those protests would have been if they were done illegally, if they flooded the roads of the CBDs before opening hours, if they'd stormed Government Houses, Parliaments.
In other words, if they'd risked something simply by protesting.

Yep, reminds me of the Poll Tax Riots, no pussy footing about with peaceful marches, just some good old fashioned looting, vandalism and civil disobedience, the result? No more Poll Tax and see you fucking later Margaret Thatcher, job done.

Wouldn't that be neat? I can't help but think a lot of people are just too damn scared to go that far. The risk of being sent to prison can be scary to some.

But now this man, Thích Quảng Đức...


Certainly knew how to protest!

Maybe a step too far, but one man became an idol. What I'd be interested to see is the rest of that photo. It's amazing what they cut out, and how much it can change the feel of the photo.


People may remember the most infamous Vietnam photo of the girl hit by napalm? All along the side are journalists taking pictures. The photo goes from horrifying to disgusting.

OK, so every time there are enough people who don't like something the government is doing gets mad enough they have a riot and storm buildings? Who chooses what issues to riot and storm buildings about? Suppose the BNP feel unrepresented and get enough louts together to burn down a communist office. That OK too? FFS.

You don't know you have been born.

Once again you've added words to my post. Try again. When you figure out where you went wrong then I'll answer you.

No. Its horrific.

How narrow. So all you see in that picture is fire? Nothing at all about the man gets through to you?

As ever BAA you make your mind up about an issue and then go hunting for so called 'evidence'. Your casual recommendation that violent protest would be a really cool thing is mind-numbing.

[RuleBritannia]

This image is the epitome of bravery, to stand up aginst the might of the PLA, if his fellow comrades had the courage to stand with him the world might be a better place today: