response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks

[Coito ergo sum]

i'm not the mood right now. Maybe you can think up a few things to reply to me for a change...hm?

I asked you what kind of evidence could change your mind.

You aren't in the MOOD?

What the fuck, Conny? Why are you here then? To state what you believe without taking any chances that you might be wrong?

I think that is one of the most arrogant positions I have ever heard clearly stated. I will be happy to continue this conversation with anyone who doesn't have the 'Truthtm'.

Fucking believers...how DOES one deal rationally with them?

I wish we could 'sage' on this thread....

He didn't even stop by to try to rebut the list of evidences I gave in answer to his inquiry. Funny, information and rational bases for our positions are freely given, but the Conspiracy Theorists tend to do the following: (a) refuse to provide any info, (b) point us to lengthy screeds that don't directly address the point at issue, (c) snidely tell us to "do our research" and then we'd find out what their back-up and evidence is. Beyond that, we get nothing from the Conspiracy Theorists except empty claims to secret knowledge and "The Truth."

[Galaxian]

If you really believe the USAgovt version, i'd like to see the evidence for their claims.

What i guess/presume happened is they used some patsies to take airplane lessons, so they could blame them later, got together with the owner of Twin Towers which were asbestos laden and no longer a revenue, slowly had "teams" place the army-made explosives (i am not versed in that stuff) highly insured the buildings, "fortified" a side of the Pentagon with certain missile guidance system, took some remote controlled jets, loaded them with extra explosive charges, re-routed two or three of the jets to Ohio, made them land. (who knows what happened to the passengers? they were forced to make phone calls?)( maybe put them all into the) one jet that got shot down over Pa.?, sent a missile into Pentagon via something that was made to look like a plane. Got people into the right position to say within an hour or so it was done by A-Q. Some decided to make even more money and took out put options on the airplane companies.
I can imagine some readers will say: all speculation, where is the evidence now. BUT that is not what Graham wanted. He wanted me to say what i think happened. So many people are now saying that the mossad had a hand in this whole thing. I wouldn't put it past them, but i wonder WHY- what their motivation to do this would be. So i'd like to remain sceptical on that part.
The arms industry wanted a war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Control over oil and poppy fields and a presence in the region. They needed a reason to go into war. They wrote and re-read Northwoods, they read a novel by an israeli that has this "story line". They probably thought, we control the media, we can pull it off: drone it into the heads of people (Bernays) enough times, and make disbelievers look stupid etc. etc.
What they forget is that the USA universities have (produced) independent thinking - smart people who are not afraid to speak up when they see foul play. Thank goodness.

Excellent post as always, Conny.
I notice the burping, farting, & piss-taking just goes on & on. It's because people either can't think, or don't want to. The implications are too great; the world won't be the safe, sane place of their make-believe.
Some have asked how many are involved in this conspiracy, & how can it be kept secret.
Well, it is evident that about 100 million, or half the adult population of the United States is part & parcel of this conspiracy. And that is why it is "secret", not because the evidence is lacking, but because 100 million people don't want to accept it. Many of them on this & similar such forums. You see, no matter how obvious something is, if half the pontificating sheeple don't want to accept it, it's a waste of time trying to convince them.
Another idiotic comment is "tell us your evidence, don't give links". Well, what a load of crap! Every historical research paper is based on "links". So why should Conny's be any different. Infact you'd all be highly miffed & piss even higher up the tree trunk of your delusions, if Conny refused to give any links... like the rest of the shambolic procession here does.
You want even more facts? Go to the Richard Dawkins forum here onwards, and you'll get enough to drown you. But of course it won't change your mind. If you change your mind, you might lose it. That's your real fear, isn't it? That's why you whistle in the dark in the dark forest of confusion.

[Trolldor]

Going to blame the Jews next?

[Thinking Aloud]

I notice the burping, farting, & piss-taking just goes on & on.

Welcome to Rationalia.

[GrahamH]

Another idiotic comment is "tell us your evidence, don't give links". Well, what a load of crap! Every historical research paper is based on "links".

Don't give quotes to opinion pieces and poorly researched, poorly thought out and uncritical piles of bullshit.

Give your own rational, critically thought-out argument, and back it up with links to reliable evidence.

Otherwise you come across as someone who merely collects links to opinions that fit with your pre-conceived notions and are piled up without making any attempt to falsify any of it. You might get a pretty big pile if you do lots of 'research' but if you don't think critically about any of it you are likely to end up with nothing more than a big pile of shit. A prime example is the appalling quote mining that passes for 'evidence' on many truther sites. There is no excuse for that, and if you don't check the context of the quotes you aren't researching, you are shovelling manure.

[Trolldor]

[Clinton Huxley]

I notice the burping, farting, & piss-taking just goes on & on.

A large meal of half-baked, indigestible nonsense can cause flatulence.

It's because people either can't think, or don't want to. The implications are too great; the world won't be the safe, sane place of their make-believe.

Standard assertion made by conspirationists. Anyone who mocks the conspiracy is a sheep. Only the conspirationists have the "true knowledge". Bog-standard cult mentality.

Some have asked how many are involved in this conspiracy, & how can it be kept secret.
Well, it is evident that about 100 million, or half the adult population of the United States is part & parcel of this conspiracy. And that is why it is "secret", not because the evidence is lacking, but because 100 million people don't want to accept it. Many of them on this & similar such forums. You see, no matter how obvious something is, if half the pontificating sheeple don't want to accept it, it's a waste of time trying to convince them.

Ah, so the larger a conspiracy is, the less likely it is to leak. Nixon should have got 100 million involved with Watergate. The rest of this farrago of drivel is the standard conspirationist ad-hom against those not suffering from their particular delusion. You not got anything new, Galaxian?

Another idiotic comment is "tell us your evidence, don't give links". Well, what a load of crap! Every historical research paper is based on "links". So why should Conny's be any different.

Well, there are links and there are links. Garbage in - garbage out.

Infact you'd all be highly miffed & piss even higher up the tree trunk of your delusions, if Conny refused to give any links... like the rest of the shambolic procession here does.

Another argument-free paragraph. I could probably write a computer programme to generate such sentences. I'll dig my Spectrum out.

You want even more facts? Go to the Richard Dawkins forum here onwards, and you'll get enough to drown you. But of course it won't change your mind.
If you change your mind, you might lose it. That's your real fear, isn't it? That's why you whistle in the dark in the dark forest of confusion.

Sounds like a direct lift from the X-Files. Are you the Smoking Man?
Thanks for your totally sterile, information-free, insult-heavy nonsense though, Galaxian. Made me laugh. Slightly.

Remember, if you are not part of the conspiracy, you ARE part of the conpsiracy.....

[GrahamH]

[Animavore]

Excellent post as always, Conny.
I notice the burping, farting, & piss-taking just goes on & on. It's because people either can't think, or don't want to. The implications are too great; the world won't be the safe, sane place of their make-believe.

Nice evasion.

Some have asked how many are involved in this conspiracy, & how can it be kept secret.
Well, it is evident that about 100 million, or half the adult population of the United States is part & parcel of this conspiracy. And that is why it is "secret", not because the evidence is lacking, but because 100 million people don't want to accept it. Many of them on this & similar such forums. You see, no matter how obvious something is, if half the pontificating sheeple don't want to accept it, it's a waste of time trying to convince them.
Another idiotic comment is "tell us your evidence, don't give links". Well, what a load of crap! Every historical research paper is based on "links". So why should Conny's be any different. Infact you'd all be highly miffed & piss even higher up the tree trunk of your delusions, if Conny refused to give any links... like the rest of the shambolic procession here does.

Really? 100 million involved in the conspiracy? Seriously; think about what you are saying now. The army went against their own people! They managed to plant explosives in every column on every floor without anyone noticing! The government knew exactly which soldiers to ask and avoided asking any one that may blow their cover!

You want even more facts? Go to the Richard Dawkins forum here onwards, and you'll get enough to drown you. But of course it won't change your mind. If you change your mind, you might lose it. That's your real fear, isn't it? That's why you whistle in the dark in the dark forest of confusion.

No. I won't go to Richard Dawkins dot net. Bring the "facts" to me. And please; don't show me a film by a failed film student with no journalistic credentials like Dylan Avery.

[GrahamH]

Really? 100 million involved in the conspiracy? Seriously; think about what you are saying now. The army went against their own people! They managed to plant explosives in every column on every floor without anyone noticing! The government knew exactly which soldiers to ask and avoided asking any one that may blow their cover!

The workers in the towers who were in a position to see anything were in on it! They probably placed the explosives during thier coffee breaks. Don't you know that 60% of the people who worked in the towers were not at work that day? That's because they knew about the plot! The few who saw something they shouldn't have were assassinated and their bodies were placed in the towers just before detonation. You have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes. Open your eyes!



Sorry, the madness took me for a moment. As you were.

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm going to start a conpiracy involving every last man, woman and child on the planet. That way, no-one will ever find out, at least by "Galaxian Logic".

[Rum]

I'm going to start a conpiracy involving every last man, woman and child on the planet. That way, no-one will ever find out, at least by "Galaxian Logic".

Why? What have you heard?

[Trolldor]

I don't want to be in on it, then I can be the one going "I KNOW YOU'RE ALL AGAINST ME!"

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm going to start a conpiracy involving every last man, woman and child on the planet. That way, no-one will ever find out, at least by "Galaxian Logic".

Why? What have you heard?

Oh, I know all about your conspiracy, Rum. The milkman told me. He got it from his chiropodist.

[Rum]

I'm going to start a conpiracy involving every last man, woman and child on the planet. That way, no-one will ever find out, at least by "Galaxian Logic".

Why? What have you heard?

Oh, I know all about your conspiracy, Rum. The milkman told me. He got it from his chiropodist.

Well I wouldn't trust them! They were in on the Kennedy thing you know.