Why are the Muslims in the UK a bigger problem . . .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

. . .than the ones in the US? I mean really, "Sharia courts"? If anybody tried to set up their own court system in the US they'd be handed their ass PDQ. What's up with that shit?

[Little Idiot]

. . .than the ones in the US? I mean really, "Sharia courts"? If anybody tried to set up their own court system in the US they'd be handed their ass PDQ. What's up with that shit?

Youd have to define what you mean by the phrase 'bigger problem'

But regarding Sharia courts, if the juristriction is properly controlled, and the law of the land is the higher in the case of a clash, the system can and does work; I lived in The Gambia (west Africa) for a decade and thats exactly what they had there.
Issues of islamic marriage and so on were dealt with by the Sharia court, things like traffic laws and murder by the high courts etc.

Do you suggest that two people (presumably muslim) wishing to be judged by the sharia system can not be, if both agree to the settlement there in, isnt it a bit like a cheaper (it is a lot cheaper) and more amicable way than the law courts, where thingss can be sorted out? Whats the 'big problem' you refer to?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

. . .than the ones in the US? I mean really, "Sharia courts"? If anybody tried to set up their own court system in the US they'd be handed their ass PDQ. What's up with that shit?

Youd have to define what you mean by the phrase 'bigger problem'

But regarding Sharia courts, if the juristriction is properly controlled, and the law of the land is the higher in the case of a clash, the system can and does work; I lived in The Gambia (west Africa) for a decade and thats exactly what they had there.
Issues of islamic marriage and so on were dealt with by the Sharia court, things like traffic laws and murder by the high courts etc.

Do you suggest that two people (presumably muslim) wishing to be judged by the sharia system can not be, if both agree to the settlement there in, isnt it a bit like a cheaper (it is a lot cheaper) and more amicable way than the law courts, where thingss can be sorted out? Whats the 'big problem' you refer to?

The hijacking of the legal system is the issue here. Kangaroo courts are illegal in the US.

[Surendra Darathy]

Whats the 'big problem' you refer to?

The problem is that if you let Sharia courts adjudicate temporal matters, the people applying these customs derive an inappropriate sense of how powerful their religious customs really are, when all they are engaging in is ordinary secular arbitration plus some rationalisation by woo. It's a stealthy transfer from a person's inner life to his practical living, which has nothing to do with woo, and leads to mistaken understanding of the effectiveness of woo in dealing with the material.

One might as well de-mythologise the State.

[Rum]

As regards the OP I suspect that it has something to do with the different approaches our two countries have to immigration. Our 'multi-cultural' approach and relative lack of strong patriotism - even a certain absence of national identity is in stark contrast with the Merican way - what with the oath of allegiance, the flag and all of that. Immigrants here tend to retain much more of the core of their ethnic/cultural and religious identity that in the USA I suspect. Becoming a British citizen is no big deal here - except in the practical consequences concerning the right of abode etc.We have large communities of people from the Indian sub-continent, where the populations are more than 70% of their own ethnic backgrounds. They tend to look to themselves for infrastructure support and it is not surprising therefore that the desire for things like their own law pop up from time to time.

If you compare our model to that of the French, who believe in more or less total assimilation, and who generally speaking don't have these issues to deal with the thing is thrown up in sharp relief.

[Azathoth]

Too many liberal wankers shouting multiculturism and tolerance rather than fuck you if you want to live here you abide by our laws.

[FBM]

. . .than the ones in the US? I mean really, "Sharia courts"? If anybody tried to set up their own court system in the US they'd be handed their ass PDQ. What's up with that shit?

We can have guns.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Although I don't agree we should have sharia law here (One land, one law) I think the bigger problem is from our "home grown" terrorists.
When you look at all the attacks and attempted attacksin the UK, they have been British born muslims.
As far as I'm aware, there have been no attacks on US soil from US born muslims.

Disclaimer: At no point am I suggesting that all British muslims are terrorists, nor all British terrorists are muslims.

[Feck]

Or because they have been Ghettoised ?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Although I don't agree we should have sharia law here (One land, one law) I think the bigger problem is from our "home grown" terrorists.
When you look at all the attacks and attempted attacksin the UK, they have been British born muslims.
As far as I'm aware, there have been no attacks on US soil from US born muslims.

There was a busted plot recently.

Disclaimer: At no point am I suggesting that all British muslims are terrorists, nor all British terrorists are muslims.

But all Brits are terrorists?

[Feck]

Although I don't agree we should have sharia law here (One land, one law) I think the bigger problem is from our "home grown" terrorists.
When you look at all the attacks and attempted attacksin the UK, they have been British born muslims.
As far as I'm aware, there have been no attacks on US soil from US born muslims.

There was a busted plot recently.

Disclaimer: At no point am I suggesting that all British muslims are terrorists, nor all British terrorists are muslims.

But all Brits are terrorists?

Well I am have some of my chilli oil

[Deep Sea Isopod]

But all Brits are terrorists?

All merkins are terrorists, for apposing sovereign rule and his majesty King George III.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

But all Brits are terrorists?

All merkins are terrorists, for apposing sovereign rule and his majesty King George III.

Wasn't me. My ancestors were in Ireland at the time.

[maiforpeace]

I got the feeling when I was in France and Germany that Muslims were a bigger problem there too than they are here in the US.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that European countries are much more densely populated, so the issues are right in your face when it comes to conflict.
My impressions when I was both France and Germany and got into discussions with the locals about their 'Muslim' problem is that Muslims are their version of what Mexicans are in the US. A lot of Muslims living in Europe are illegal, and therefore unemployed. Many of the young people resort to gangs. Many are dark skinned, and Europeans are no less prone to racism than any one else.

[Tigger]

To answer the OP: it's because we allow the fuckers to do what they want. Viz:

I have just applied for planning permission to build a house.
It was going to be 100 feet tall, 400 feet wide with 9 turrets, windows everywhere and a loud outside entertainment system. It would have parking for 200 cars and all this would be painted in snot green with tatty pink trim.

The planning department told me to fuck off, so I sent the application in again, but this time I called it a mosque.

Work starts Monday.

Sorry.
I'm not