How do you feel about lying?

Holy Crap!
User avatar
Theophilus
Posts: 212
Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:09 am
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Theophilus » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:23 pm

I think leaving aside any moral viewpoint, trust is hard won and easily lost (by lying).
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible" St. Thomas Aquinas

Kalira9
Posts: 39
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:21 pm
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Kalira9 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:47 pm

We all tell "white lies" now and then, but I know I do A LOT of lying in order to benefit myself. It's often come back to bite me and/or hurt the people I care about. :( It's a terrible habit that I'm trying hard to break...
Formerly "Blackrend" on Richard Dawkins Forum.

Check out my DeviantArt page!

Image

~ * Some words to live by *~

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:51 pm

I told a very important lie once. Jerry asked me where Sandra was. I told him I didn't know.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Rum » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:04 pm

DP wrote:I lie when I have to, it doesn't make me feel guilty or uncomfortable or anything like that, it's a necessary evil at times.

I prefer the truth though, much simpler.
I suspect you hit it on the nose here. The truth *is* simpler, 'What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive'.

When I was a teenager I went through a period - it must have been very short - but I knew something was wrong (and luckily I came out of it pretty quickly) when I was either lying a lot or felt I was. It made life really complicated.

Life is simpler and far less stressful if one simply tells the truth if at all possible.

User avatar
Animavore
Nasty Hombre
Posts: 39276
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:26 am
Location: Ire Land.
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Animavore » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:06 pm

I used to lie to the priest all the time during confession. I had to make up sins because I was a very well behaved boy :shifty:
Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.

User avatar
Tigger
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 piccolos
Posts: 15714
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:26 pm
About me: It's not "about" me, it's exactly me.
Location: location location.

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Tigger » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:13 pm

Theophilus wrote:I think leaving aside any moral viewpoint, trust is hard won and easily lost (by lying).
That has to be the shortest thing you ever wrote!
Image
Seth wrote:Fuck that, I like opening Pandora's box and shoving my tool inside it

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Rum » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:14 pm

Tigger wrote:
Theophilus wrote:I think leaving aside any moral viewpoint, trust is hard won and easily lost (by lying).
That has to be the shortest thing you ever wrote!
..and one of the most sensible I think.

User avatar
Theophilus
Posts: 212
Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:09 am
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Theophilus » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:17 pm

Tigger wrote:
Theophilus wrote:I think leaving aside any moral viewpoint, trust is hard won and easily lost (by lying).
That has to be the shortest thing you ever wrote!
Hmmm, yes, I don't think I explored the possible alternatives well enough there. I don't think I balanced one view against the other before coming to a firm non-conclusion. Good point, next time I shall ponder, cogitate, ruminate and digest a little more before launching into my circumlocution.

:biggrin:
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible" St. Thomas Aquinas

User avatar
Tigger
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 piccolos
Posts: 15714
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:26 pm
About me: It's not "about" me, it's exactly me.
Location: location location.

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Tigger » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:20 pm

Theophilus wrote:
Tigger wrote:
Theophilus wrote:I think leaving aside any moral viewpoint, trust is hard won and easily lost (by lying).
That has to be the shortest thing you ever wrote!
Hmmm, yes, I don't think I explored the possible alternatives well enough there. I don't think I balanced one view against the other before coming to a firm non-conclusion. Good point, next time I shall ponder, cogitate, ruminate and digest a little more before launching into my circumlocution.

:biggrin:
Bless you. :cheers:
Image
Seth wrote:Fuck that, I like opening Pandora's box and shoving my tool inside it

User avatar
Theophilus
Posts: 212
Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:09 am
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Theophilus » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:26 pm

Tigger wrote:Bless you. :cheers:
Well, thank you kindly :td:
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible" St. Thomas Aquinas

User avatar
Valden
Posts: 651
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:12 pm
About me: Once upon a time...
Location: Peyton, Colorado, U.S
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Valden » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:56 pm

Rum wrote:Most of us here are atheists and when arguments about morality and its 'absence' in atheism are tossed about by believes we can be pretty robust in defending ourselves.

But how do you feel about lying? Is it wrong intrinsically? Wrong when you do it for gain? Right when you do it to protect someone? Wrong when it is to big yourself up? And what's the position of lying in a humanist world view?
I don't consider it to be a big deal. Babies learn how to lie without the help of a parent! It's got evolutionary advantages.

Sometimes it's needed. :dono:

User avatar
Pappa
Non-Practicing Anarchist
Non-Practicing Anarchist
Posts: 56488
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:42 am
About me: I am sacrificing a turnip as I type.
Location: Le sud du Pays de Galles.
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Pappa » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:58 pm

Valden wrote:
Rum wrote:Most of us here are atheists and when arguments about morality and its 'absence' in atheism are tossed about by believes we can be pretty robust in defending ourselves.

But how do you feel about lying? Is it wrong intrinsically? Wrong when you do it for gain? Right when you do it to protect someone? Wrong when it is to big yourself up? And what's the position of lying in a humanist world view?
I don't consider it to be a big deal. Babies learn how to lie without the help of a parent! It's got evolutionary advantages.

Sometimes it's needed. :dono:
+1
For information on ways to help support Rationalia financially, see our funding page.


When the aliens do come, everything we once thought was cool will then make us ashamed.

User avatar
Twoflower
Queen of Slugs
Posts: 16611
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:23 pm
About me: Twoflower is the optimistic-but-naive tourist. He often runs into danger, being certain that nothing bad will happen to him since he is not involved. He also believes in the fundamental goodness of human nature and that all problems can be resolved, if all parties show good will and cooperate.
Location: Boston
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by Twoflower » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:01 pm

I dont like to lie, but will when I have to.
I'm wild just like a rock, a stone, a tree
And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

Image

User avatar
floppit
Forum Mebmer
Posts: 3399
Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:06 am
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by floppit » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:52 am

I don't think it's crime of the century! No, I mean it I think people get far too excited over it, mostly people lie to just have an easier path, where it's more like lying and theft, or lying and cheating on a partner then it's the added bits which actually are worth the judgement.

When I was a kid I lied all the time, I lied over everything to avoid beltings and detentions while doing what I wanted rather than what was wanted of me. Through all that time I was as soft as I am now, it wasn't about trying to rob or hurt anyone, it was about freedom and not getting punished.

I remember about the age of 26, I remember where I was sat talking to my friend and I realised I could not remember the last time I lied because I was an adult, because I was no longer forced into a way of life I didn't want and had grown up enough to feel and not mind being responsible for my adult, chosen, actions. It felt like quite a luxury, very pleasurable.

Over time my word has become more important to me, partly because of how others view it, partly because the contrast to the child me is stark. My word is very strong, something I value because those near to me value it. I don't doubt I would lie though, I'm just grateful I don't seem to feel so disempowered that I can't just be straight and live with it.

Through my work I often deal with adult protection, protecting adults from adults - I think lots of the problems I see there (when it's inside families) are from people who just don't grow up, stay living in a world where they see there own actions as beyond their control and justify dishonesty and harm they cause as also beyond their control. When I've come across them, it's felt very much like a habit that just grew. When you hear people talk mostly it started long before the abused adult became vulnerable. When it's outside families it's just bog standard opportunism for gain. Again though, these aren't 'just' lies.
"Whatever it is, it spits and it goes 'WAAARGHHHHHHHH' - that's probably enough to suggest you shouldn't argue with it." Mousy.

User avatar
kiki5711
Forever with Ekwok
Posts: 3954
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:51 am
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Contact:

Re: How do you feel about lying?

Post by kiki5711 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:46 am

Everyone lies sometimes. Come on!! Tell the truth :biggrin: :biggrin:

Sometimes Itell the truth and it's so screwy sounding, the person I'm telling it to thinks I'm lying, but I' actually telling the truth. :dq: :dq: I just say "whatevahhhh!"

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests