5 reasons atheism is irrational

[Theophilus]

Also - if the Bibble is 'inspired', a common Christian belief, why isn't all of it? If god inspired it and some bits are wrong it would suggest that god is not infallible.

I haven't said any of the Bible is wrong. You'd need to debate that with someone who considers some of it wrong.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Also - if the Bibble is 'inspired', a common Christian belief, why isn't all of it? If god inspired it and some bits are wrong it would suggest that god is not infallible.

I haven't said any of the Bible is wrong. You'd need to debate that with someone who considers some of it wrong.

Take a position, then, please. Is the Bible infallible?

[AshtonBlack]

Also - if the Bibble is 'inspired', a common Christian belief, why isn't all of it? If god inspired it and some bits are wrong it would suggest that god is not infallible.

I haven't said any of the Bible is wrong. You'd need to debate that with someone who considers some of it wrong.

So it's all right then? All the slavery, genocide and what not.

[Rum]

Also - if the Bibble is 'inspired', a common Christian belief, why isn't all of it? If god inspired it and some bits are wrong it would suggest that god is not infallible.

I haven't said any of the Bible is wrong. You'd need to debate that with someone who considers some of it wrong.

If you believe the Bibble is literal truth then you are even more lost than I thought. If you believe some bits aren't true and that it was an inspired work, then god is not infallible.

Enough of this silliness for me.

[Theophilus]

Take a position, then, please. Is the Bible infallible?

I'll stick to what the Bible itself says (obviously translated here):

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

Can it fail? Well our translations and interpretations can fail, I am sure. But we know that - that was a central message of Jesus, that the Jews had not understood the heart of the Torah (hence the Sermon on the Mount).

[Theophilus]

If you believe the Bibble is literal truth then you are even more lost than I thought. If you believe some bits aren't true and that it was an inspired work, then god is not infallible.

I haven't said it is all literal truth, have I? Truth may be found in allegory and in poetry as much as in historical or scientific prose.

[Theophilus]

So it's all right then? All the slavery, genocide and what not.

Was there slavery and genocide? Yes, I think that would be largely, if not completely, historical.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Take a position, then, please. Is the Bible infallible?

I'll stick to what the Bible itself says (obviously translated here):

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

Can it fail? Well our translations and interpretations can fail, I am sure. But we know that - that was a central message of Jesus, that the Jews had not understood the heart of the Torah (hence the Sermon on the Mount).

So the Bible is fallible. Which parts, exactly?

[Feck]

Now you see the beatitudes were found amongst the dead sea scrolls . Which tends to promote the idea that your Christ was simply a member of an ultra -jewish cult ... It also makes all the Paulism we now think of as christianity a bit suspect .

[Rum]

Now you see the beatitudes were found amongst the dead sea scrolls . Which tends to promote the idea that your Christ was simply a member of an ultra -jewish cult ... It also makes all the Paulism we now think of as christianity a bit suspect .

Paul does seem to turn out to have been a bit of a fucker doesn't he.

[tattuchu]

This Theophilus seems like a nice guy, intelligent and well-spoken. Nothing for nothing, but I just felt compelled to throw that out

[Theophilus]

Now you see the beatitudes were found amongst the dead sea scrolls.

Can you point me to the source (translation of that section of the scrolls) for that please so I can compare the two alongside each other?

But Yes, Jesus was indeed a good Jew. I don't think any Christian would argue with that.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Now you see the beatitudes were found amongst the dead sea scrolls.

Can you point me to the source (translation of that section of the scrolls) for that please so I can compare the two alongside each other?

At that point you will get to chose which version you believe. Then it comes down to personal choice, just like we did. Congrats. You've made a step.

[Theophilus]

This Theophilus seems like a nice guy, intelligent and well-spoken. Nothing for nothing, but I just felt compelled to throw that out

Well that is very kind of you.

And you, if I may say so, are a very nice looking bit of bread.

[Rum]

This Theophilus seems like a nice guy, intelligent and well-spoken. Nothing for nothing, but I just felt compelled to throw that out

I wouldn't count on it. He has probably decided he is doing 'missionary work' in hostile territory. A bit different from telling African natives how to have proper Christian sex in the 19th century, but the same 'witnessing' codswollop.

This stuff earns you heaven points you know.