5 reasons atheism is irrational

[Feck]

HANG ON Did we get accused of sexism by a theist I would get suspended If I posted a picture of my penis wouldn't I ?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

HANG ON Did we get accused of sexism by a theist I would get suspended If I posted a picture of my penis wouldn't I ?

You will be suspended BY your penis if you don't.

[Tigger]

'Tis our way...

Yes, I know. And on the one hand I can sympathise when faced with people who won't engage properly. But on the other hand I don't think pornography, even in mild forms, adds to the credibility of the atheist cause (at least to the humanist side of that cause, though sadly that seems to be a minority part of atheism these days). Rather, in my opinion, it reinforces a stereotype of atheist being male and a little socially immature.

Let me help to dispel your stereotype

Nice norks, Charlou.

And yet there are clearly more people reinforcing that stereotype than challenging it. Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion. Which is a little sad, especially considering the promising state humanism was in 30 years ago.

I complimented her cartoon breasts and that's sexist?

Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion.

Are you surprised that you can reach this conclusion when the majority of religions shun the sex act for some reason? Or at least they purport to. There’s a Priest/choirboy reference in here, which I’ll let lie.

No, religious sexism is much more invidious, portraying women as just inferior generally.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-34.htm
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. (New international version)
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-35.htm
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (New international version)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-34.htm
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. (New international version)
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-35.htm
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (New international version)

I gotta try that shit with Ayaan.

[Feck]

Rapture Ready had a huge list of "How a woman should behave towards her husband "stuff BTW if anyone wants to go get it and some really sickening posts telling women to be obedient to their violent and abusive husbands .

[Hermit]

Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion.

There is nothing more sexist than religious injunctions, some of the biblical ones having been pointed out to you already.

Here's another one: Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. [Ephesians 5:24]

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion.

There is nothing more sexist than religious injunctions, some of the biblical ones having been pointed out to you already.

Here's another one: Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. [Ephesians 5:24]

How well does that work with your S.O.?

[FBM]

Thanks for the clarification FBM. I think we would both agree that truth is not about what we do or don't like. We can say we don't like something; but that is a very different statement from saying something is not true. In atheism (as with religion) I think that sometimes "I don't like it" and "I don't think it is true" get a little muddled.

I largely agree. Thing is, in my experience, theists tend to believe because it makes them feel good, i.e., they like or prefer it, rather than because there's any evidence for it. People who use reason see belief in something for which there is no evidence as a profound error. If we could just go around saying that whatever we liked was true without providing and supporting evidence for it, there would be no basis for knowledge at all, would there? I mean, look at your avatar. It's full of idealistic, warm-fuzzy, romantic dreams. It reflects what you want to feel, what you want to be true, despite lack of any evidence that it actually is. (I don't mean that to sound harsh or insulting, btw.)

I hasten to add that non-theists also have unfounded beliefs, and some of them cling stubbornly to them. In my case, my fundamental ontology was deeply challenged by the fact that the Saints went to the Superbowl, and completely shattered when they actually won.

*cough*

[Hermit]

Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion.

There is nothing more sexist than religious injunctions, some of the biblical ones having been pointed out to you already.

Here's another one: Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. [Ephesians 5:24]

How well does that work with your S.O.?

The injunction is inapplicable on two counts. We are not married. We are not religious. Both of us are happier for it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion.

There is nothing more sexist than religious injunctions, some of the biblical ones having been pointed out to you already.

Here's another one: Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. [Ephesians 5:24]

How well does that work with your S.O.?

The injunction is inapplicable on two counts. We are not married. We are not religious. Both of us are happier for it.

Probably safer too.

[charlou]

'Tis our way...

Yes, I know. And on the one hand I can sympathise when faced with people who won't engage properly. But on the other hand I don't think pornography, even in mild forms, adds to the credibility of the atheist cause (at least to the humanist side of that cause, though sadly that seems to be a minority part of atheism these days). Rather, in my opinion, it reinforces a stereotype of atheist being male and a little socially immature.

Let me help to dispel your stereotype

Nice norks, Charlou.

And yet there are clearly more people reinforcing that stereotype than challenging it. Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion. Which is a little sad, especially considering the promising state humanism was in 30 years ago.

Women don't need buttoned up, pious, paternalistically motivated men (and women) protecting them from objectification. Women, if allowed, love to be objectified and to be fucked. Fucked. Love. It. That doesn't preclude respect, dignity, love, pleasure, happiness. It's just part of the package that is Woman. That's our humanity.

[Ayaan]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-34.htm
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. (New international version)
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-35.htm
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (New international version)

I gotta try that shit with Ayaan.

Ever had a hot teakettle shoved where the sun don't shine?

[Ayaan]

And yet there are clearly more people reinforcing that stereotype than challenging it. Sexism (through portraying women as just sex objects for men) seems to abound as much, if not more, in atheism than it does in does in religion. Which is a little sad, especially considering the promising state humanism was in 30 years ago.

Women don't need buttoned up, pious, paternalistically motivated men (and women) protecting them from objectification. Women, if allowed, love to be objectified and to be fucked. Fucked. Love. It. That doesn't preclude respect, dignity, love, pleasure, happiness. It's just part of the package that is Woman. That's our humanity.

+1 Charlou. Besides, what you are seeing here, Theophilus is not sexism, it's a group of men and women who fully acknowledge that sexuality is part of being human. A bit of joking about boobs isn't sexism (and if you notice none of the women have objected and I know most of them well enough to say without a doubt that if it bothered them, they would not be shy about letting it be known). However, being told to sit down and shut up because I'm a female is classic sexism - no matter how you dress it up.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-34.htm
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. (New international version)
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-35.htm
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (New international version)

I gotta try that shit with Ayaan.

Ever had a hot teakettle shoved where the sun don't shine?

Flirt.