What a great display of rational thought that would be. I think it would confirm my view that there are essentially two types of atheist: one type that is primarily motivated by seeing how far rational and scientific thought can go by itself, and another that simply wish to reject the moral framework found in religion because they don't like it. That, I think was what Dawkins didn't understand about his following - he thought it was primarily the former when actually it contained many people in the latter group who were primarily motivated by kicking against religion. The irony is that in many ways I, as a theist (and as a scientist), am probably closer to the way Dawkins thinks than some, or possibly many, of his own followers.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:irreligionist wrote:I think that the next time distillers tries to enlighten us, everyone should just fill the thread with huge boobs! No comments. No arguments. No debunking. Just bloody enormous boobs.
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I do both. Thank you for bringing it up.Theophilus wrote:What a great display of rational thought that would be. I think it would confirm my view that there are essentially two types of atheist: one type that is primarily motivated by seeing how far rational and scientific thought can go by itself, and another that simply wish to reject the moral framework found in religion because they don't like it.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:irreligionist wrote:I think that the next time distillers tries to enlighten us, everyone should just fill the thread with huge boobs! No comments. No arguments. No debunking. Just bloody enormous boobs.

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Hi FBMFBM wrote:I do both. Thank you for bringing it up.Theophilus wrote:What a great display of rational thought that would be. I think it would confirm my view that there are essentially two types of atheist: one type that is primarily motivated by seeing how far rational and scientific thought can go by itself, and another that simply wish to reject the moral framework found in religion because they don't like it.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:irreligionist wrote:I think that the next time distillers tries to enlighten us, everyone should just fill the thread with huge boobs! No comments. No arguments. No debunking. Just bloody enormous boobs.
Do you reject beliefs because you don't like them?
You can probably see where I'm going with this

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That's a bit like saying there are people who sit in lecture theatres and people who sit in pubs, and that they can't possibly be the same individuals.Theophilus wrote:What a great display of rational thought that would be. I think it would confirm my view that there are essentially two types of atheist: one type that is primarily motivated by seeing how far rational and scientific thought can go by itself, and another that simply wish to reject the moral framework found in religion because they don't like it.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:irreligionist wrote:I think that the next time distillers tries to enlighten us, everyone should just fill the thread with huge boobs! No comments. No arguments. No debunking. Just bloody enormous boobs.
Don't forget that Rationalia is mostly full of people who just want to have a great time online. There are other places where we can be deadly serious about the debate on religion if we wish (and in actual fact, anyone engaging in a proper discussion on the subject here will usually find they are most welcome to do so, and receive civil responses) - but Rationalia is not a beacon in the night for the gathering of atheist forces or anything like that. Many of us came here in the first place because it was free from the inane ramblings of the type at the start of this thread. Don't be surprised if, when they turn up here, they get laughed away for the most part.
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Hi!Theophilus wrote:Hi FBM
Do you reject beliefs because you don't like them?
You can probably see where I'm going with this
No, actually, at the time I stopped believing in gods and such, I was a fan. I was in training to become an Episcopal priest. I stopped believing them because I figured out that they didn't make sense, yet were widely believed despite that. Then I started disliking them. To be specific, I dislike those that are based on superstitious/religious/fabricated rationales. Ones that actually make sense (based on rational thinking) are cool with me, even when they overlap the others. At the heart of it all, I just don't like superstitious/religious thinking any more nor their products. I hope that clarifies things a bit.
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Thanks for the clarification FBM. I think we would both agree that truth is not about what we do or don't like. We can say we don't like something; but that is a very different statement from saying something is not true. In atheism (as with religion) I think that sometimes "I don't like it" and "I don't think it is true" get a little muddled.
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Where are you going with this? The original point was to satirise a poster who had nothing sensible to say. Personally I find tits palpably real, to coin a phrase. We appreciate deeply the gravity of your response but are you sure it was entirely relevant?Theophilus wrote:What a great display of rational thought that would be. I think it would confirm my view that there are essentially two types of atheist: one type that is primarily motivated by seeing how far rational and scientific thought can go by itself, and another that simply wish to reject the moral framework found in religion because they don't like it.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I think that the next time distillers tries to enlighten us, everyone should just fill the thread with huge boobs! No comments. No arguments. No debunking. Just bloody enormous boobs.
If we were to assume it was relevant, should we then take it to make sense, or merely to construct a couple of straw men to make up a false dichotomy?
I reject theism for reasons I have explained elsewhere. I find it absurd and worthy of satire. Given the nature of christian moral belief, tits do it nicely. If you have something better to offer than did thedistillers, I will respond on its merits.
So, in your view Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dawkins agrees with your simplistic dichotomy, does he? You have a reference for that?That, I think was what Dawkins didn't understand about his following - he thought it was primarily the former when actually it contained many people in the latter group who were primarily motivated by kicking against religion. The irony is that in many ways I, as a theist (and as a scientist), am probably closer to the way Dawkins thinks than some, or possibly many, of his own followers.
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You must remember you have come to a site full of people who are amiable in many ways, and enjoy rational discourse from time to time (eg. the religious scientists thread), but are also rather feral, anarchistic, sardonic, bloody minded and sensual.Theophilus wrote:What a great display of rational thought that would be. I think it would confirm my view that there are essentially two types of atheist: one type that is primarily motivated by seeing how far rational and scientific thought can go by itself, and another that simply wish to reject the moral framework found in religion because they don't like it. That, I think was what Dawkins didn't understand about his following - he thought it was primarily the former when actually it contained many people in the latter group who were primarily motivated by kicking against religion. The irony is that in many ways I, as a theist (and as a scientist), am probably closer to the way Dawkins thinks than some, or possibly many, of his own followers.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:irreligionist wrote:I think that the next time distillers tries to enlighten us, everyone should just fill the thread with huge boobs! No comments. No arguments. No debunking. Just bloody enormous boobs.
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I think that would be re-opening the veritable can of worms that was the Dawkins.net forum closure.Xeno wrote:So, in your view Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dawkins agrees with your simplistic dichotomy, does he? You have a reference for that?
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Yes, I know. And on the one hand I can sympathise when faced with people who won't engage properly. But on the other hand I don't think pornography, even in mild forms, adds to the credibility of the atheist cause (at least to the humanist side of that cause, though sadly that seems to be a minority part of atheism these days). Rather, in my opinion, it reinforces a stereotype of atheist being male and a little socially immature.JimC wrote:'Tis our way...
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What's that saying? Errr.....Judge not lest ye be judged, or something.......Theophilus wrote:Yes, I know. And on the one hand I can sympathise when faced with people who won't engage properly. But on the other hand I don't think pornography, even in mild forms, adds to the credibility of the atheist cause (at least to the humanist side of that cause, though sadly that seems to be a minority part of atheism these days). Rather, in my opinion, it reinforces a stereotype of atheist being male and a little socially immature.JimC wrote:'Tis our way...
So here we have "people who won't engage properly" - I guess you define what is "proper"?
"Pornography does not add to the credibility of the atheist cause"? There's a cause? I never signed up for that. Beside, given the credibility of the other side and their mystical hoo-haa, I don't think we are in any trouble on that score.
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You have probably missed my point. This is not a site whose main purpose is to advance the cause of atheism - there are many worthy sites who attempt that, and jolly good luck to them...Theophilus wrote:Yes, I know. And on the one hand I can sympathise when faced with people who won't engage properly. But on the other hand I don't think pornography, even in mild forms, adds to the credibility of the atheist cause (at least to the humanist side of that cause, though sadly that seems to be a minority part of atheism these days). Rather, in my opinion, it reinforces a stereotype of atheist being male and a little socially immature.JimC wrote:'Tis our way...
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Ah, thanks. Yes, I probably have misunderstood the purpose of this site.JimC wrote:You have probably missed my point. This is not a site whose main purpose is to advance the cause of atheism - there are many worthy sites who attempt that, and jolly good luck to them...
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Who are you to say we're being immature?Theophilus wrote:Yes, I know. And on the one hand I can sympathise when faced with people who won't engage properly. But on the other hand I don't think pornography, even in mild forms, adds to the credibility of the atheist cause (at least to the humanist side of that cause, though sadly that seems to be a minority part of atheism these days). Rather, in my opinion, it reinforces a stereotype of atheist being male and a little socially immature.JimC wrote:'Tis our way...
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It must be real cold there, some of their extremities are turning blue.mark1961 wrote: Anyway here's a picture of a nice pair of boobies just for you:
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