Note Quotes messed in SD's post, edit to correct them
Surendra Darathy wrote:Surendra Darathy wrote:
Nope. Here's how you should do it:
Absolute truths do not change. (definition)
Time does not apply to that which does not change.
Absolute truth is timeless.
There's no need to make it hypothetical. We know you are testing a framework to see if it functions.
But all you've managed to conclude is that absolute truth is timeless. But that was not your aim. Your aim was to speculate on the possibilities of things that do not change, rather than to pin down what "changelessness" is all about.
If you want to discuss concepts not subject to change, you ought to get busy explaining what other properties than changelessness they have. Simply identifying "absolute" with "changelessness" is nothing more than your starting definition of "absolute".
Of course you will want absolute truths to be changeless. Otherwise all you have is evolution, or Heraclitean fluxes.
But what gives you to believe you can identify the "concept" of changelessness with any coherent metaphysics?
All you can do is construct tautologies around the concept of changelessness. All you have to spark your concept of changelessness is your empirical observations of change. Why would you think that because you can observe change, that you can conceive of "changelessness". All your examples are of the temporal.
This is precisely why metaphysics is crap. It involves imagining the opposite to anything you are able to observe. How is it coherent to do so?
Ohh goody, an actual response to my post, rather than assertion of its bull-shittiness.
The real point of first establishing absolute truth to be timeless is that emperical method can't be used to reach it.
C1 is just setting the foundation, as I said where not to look. Its not the final point so far, in fact its the very start.
Now, on the main point of the thread, are we not here doing metaphysics? have we not discussed and agreed an essential nature of absolute truth
Isnt this
Absolute truths do not change. (definition)
Time does not apply to that which does not change.
Absolute truth is timeless.
metaphysics?
How can you do metaphysics and maintain metaphysics cant be done?
This short exercise we have been through has established something of the nature of absolute truth, and done so without emperical method.
Therefore we demonstrated metaphysics can be done.
Thereby metaphysics has been demonstrated to be able to produce knowledge, some of which is not negative or imagining the opposite to anything you are able to observe; we know absolute truth is changeless (definition), absolute truth is timeless (logic, negative of imaginable), it can not be found by emperical method (logic, negative but easily imaginable), and may be possible to find by other methods although we have not investigated what these may be yet (logic, positive, imaginable).
EDIT--> Oh, QED.
An advanced intellect can consider fairly the merits of an idea when the idea is not its own.
An advanced personality considers the ego to be an ugly thing, and none more so that its own.
An advanced mind grows satiated with experience and starts to wonder 'why?'