Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

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Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by secularist » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:41 pm

Islamist terrorists planned to blow up US air base in Germany

  • Attacks could have equalled London and Madrid bombings
  • Would-be bombers given sentences from five to 12 years


Two German converts to Islam and two Turkish men were convicted today over a foiled 2007 plot to attack US targets in Germany, and given prison sentences ranging up to 12 years.

The four men, operating as a German cell of the radical Islamic Jihad Union, had plotted bombing attacks against American citizens and facilities, including the US Air Force's Ramstein air base in Germany, the Düsseldorf state court found.

The case "has shown with frightening clarity what acts young people who are filled with hatred, blinded and seduced by wrong-headed ideas of jihad are prepared and able to carry out", Judge Ottmar Breidling said.

Three of the defendants ‑ Fritz Gelowicz, 30, and Daniel Schneider, 24, both German converts to Islam, and Turkish citizen Adem Yilmaz, 31 ‑ were convicted of membership in a terrorist organisation, while 25-year-old Turkish citizen Attila Selek was convicted of supporting a terrorist organisation. All four also were convicted of preparing explosive devices and conspiracy to commit murder.

They had confessed during the trial, which began in April, and showed no reaction today as Breidling announced the verdict in a high-security courtroom. Gelowicz and Schneider were sentenced to 12 years in prison, Yilmaz to 11 years and Selek to five.

The judge said the planned attacks could have been on a par with the 2005 London transport bombings or the 2004 Madrid train bombings.

Had they succeeded, "there would have been a terrible bloodbath with an incredibly high of number of dead and injured, above all members of the US army but also civilians", Breidling said.

The defendants' goal was not only to attack Americans ‑ for example at bars, discos and other public places ‑ but also to influence a German parliamentary vote in October 2007 on extending the country's military deployment in Afghanistan, the court found. As part of the judgment, the four were also found guilty of attempting to coerce parliament.

According to the US state department, the Islamic Jihad Union was responsible for co-ordinated bombings outside the US and Israeli embassies in July 2004 in the Uzbek capital, Tashkent. Members have been trained in explosives by al-Qaida instructors, and the group has ties to Osama bin Laden and fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Omar, according to the state department.

The German cell had stockpiled 730kg of highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide, bought from a chemical supplier, and could have mixed it with other substances to make explosives equivalent to 550kg of dynamite, German officials say.

But German authorities, acting partly on US intelligence, had been watching them and covertly replaced the hydrogen peroxide with a diluted substitute that could not have been used to produce a bomb.

German authorities arrested Gelowicz, Schneider and Yilmaz at a rented cottage in central Germany on 4 September 2007. Turkey picked up Selek in November 2007 and later extradited him to Germany.

The court found that, while the two converts to Islam had a "barely rudimentary knowledge" of the faith, they were still willing to "serve as an angel of death for Islam".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... -bomb-plot

I guess they have not heard the new fatwa that say suicide bombers would go to hell.

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Post by kiki5711 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:59 pm

I guess they have not heard the new fatwa that say suicide bombers would go to hell.
There is a new fatwa?

I thought it said they would get some virgins to mess around with. :think:

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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by klr » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:04 pm

kiki5711 wrote:
I guess they have not heard the new fatwa that say suicide bombers would go to hell.
There is a new fatwa?

I thought it said they would get some virgins to mess around with. :think:
Not any more apparently:

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 65#p370565
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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by kiki5711 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:19 pm

klr wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
I guess they have not heard the new fatwa that say suicide bombers would go to hell.
There is a new fatwa?

I thought it said they would get some virgins to mess around with. :think:
Not any more apparently:

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 65#p370565
I guess these German guys missed the update. :pardon:

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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by klr » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:20 pm

kiki5711 wrote:
klr wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
I guess they have not heard the new fatwa that say suicide bombers would go to hell.
There is a new fatwa?

I thought it said they would get some virgins to mess around with. :think:
Not any more apparently:

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 65#p370565
I guess these German guys missed the update. :pardon:
They were already in the dock by the time it was issued. I guess they must be feeling relieved at least that they're still alive. :lol:
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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by Mung Bean » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:11 am

Fatwas don't mean much since anybody can issue one and it's a matter of picking whichever one you prefer. ;)
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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by kiki5711 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:13 pm

Mung Bean wrote:Fatwas don't mean much since anybody can issue one and it's a matter of picking whichever one you prefer. ;)
Well, then I guess it's free for all to choose and do as they want. :?

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Post by lordshipmayhem » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:35 pm

Mung Bean wrote:Fatwas don't mean much since anybody can issue one and it's a matter of picking whichever one you prefer. ;)
Really? Excellent!!

I'm issuing a fatwa against clothing!!! :hehe:

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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by etrnl_ntt » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:38 am

lordshipmayhem wrote:
Mung Bean wrote:Fatwas don't mean much since anybody can issue one and it's a matter of picking whichever one you prefer. ;)
Really? Excellent!!

I'm issuing a fatwa against clothing!!! :hehe:
:hilarious: Yeah, make it against wearing a tent around yourself! If any one wears anything but a miniskirt she should be stoned!!! All guys should dress only in casuals! :biggrin:
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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by Mung Bean » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:59 am

:mrgreen: Go for it. You're unlikely to get anyone paying any attention but it's a lot saner that most of the fatawah I've read over the past few years.
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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by Xeno » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:22 am

Mung Bean wrote:Fatwas don't mean much since anybody can issue one and it's a matter of picking whichever one you prefer. ;)
So I suppose it comes down to whether my fat wa is bigger than your fatwa.
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Re: Two Germans converted to Islam then became terrorists

Post by kiki5711 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:33 pm

Xeno wrote:
Mung Bean wrote:Fatwas don't mean much since anybody can issue one and it's a matter of picking whichever one you prefer. ;)
So I suppose it comes down to whether my fat wa is bigger than your fatwa.
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