Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by jd » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:37 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:Did the wall have a signature on it? Who built it, when, and why? Or is it just something they found in the "right place" and decided all that because "it fits"?
Well, does the finding of troy then also validate Greek mythology? or does the finding of Dwaraka also make Hindu mythology true?
Exactly.

There's nothing inherently outrageous in the suggestion that the Biblical characters of David and Solomon were based upon real people in a real kingdom, but that doesn't mean that the Bible accounts are true, and there is very little reason for us to stretch our trust of the "historical" accounts any further, and none whatsoever to accept the supernatural and irrational claims.

The bible-writers had no concept of modern historical methods, and had no interest in "dispassionate" history - their accounts were clearly and deliberately self-serving (with numerous claims about Solomon's kingdom being the "biggest and best" in the world that are clearly at odds with the archaeological record).

We also know, with reasonable certainty that some of the specific historical claims are untrue, such as the invasion of Canaan, undercut by the fact that the cities supposedly overrun by the invading Israelites were already in ruins long before the Israelite culture was established. If I recall correctly, the city of "Ai" actually means "ruin". Similarly, archaeology (and basic understanding of reality) totally undercuts the preceding story of a huge exodus of enslaved Israelites from Egypt.

I'm open to the idea that the bible contains history, of which we can rationally examine the likelihood of specific claims, but the idea that the bible is history is totally risible.
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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:04 pm

The Iron-age Goat-Herder's Anthology of Campfire Tales for Boys contains bad history, like every other largely undocumented source.


(Sorry, just a rant from a History major. Carry on.)
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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by jd » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:35 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:The Iron-age Goat-Herder's Anthology of Campfire Tales for Boys contains bad history, like every other largely undocumented source.


(Sorry, just a rant from a History major. Carry on.)
Well, yes, it is an ancient source, from a third-rate ancient civilization, so of course it's bad history. There are very few ancient sources we'd regard as reliable, though several Greek and Roman historians at least made the attempt, and many ancient histories, as unreliable as they are, are still more reliable than the bible.

My point was simply that modern historians can still analyse the bible as a historical source document - they just treat it as a hugely unreliable one, unlike biblical literalists and their ilk, who swallow so much bullshit on "faith".
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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:40 pm

jd wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:The Iron-age Goat-Herder's Anthology of Campfire Tales for Boys contains bad history, like every other largely undocumented source.


(Sorry, just a rant from a History major. Carry on.)
Well, yes, it is an ancient source, from a third-rate ancient civilization, so of course it's bad history. There are very few ancient sources we'd regard as reliable, though several Greek and Roman historians at least made the attempt, and many ancient histories, as unreliable as they are, are still more reliable than the bible.

My point was simply that modern historians can still analyse the bible as a historical source document - they just treat it as a hugely unreliable one, unlike biblical literalists and their ilk, who swallow so much bullshit on "faith".
We agree completely. In a Biblical History class I took at Purdue the prof. said "You shouldn't take everything in the Bible as gospel." :lol:
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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by T. Kari » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:05 pm

cracka1337 wrote:Wait, someone found evidence to support the bible that is older than biblical 'scholars' claim the entire universe is? :funny:
Maybe it was an ancient zoo and that wall was to keep the dinosaurs in.
The article says 3000 years ;-)

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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by cracka1337 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:46 pm

T. Kari wrote:
cracka1337 wrote:Wait, someone found evidence to support the bible that is older than biblical 'scholars' claim the entire universe is? :funny:
Maybe it was an ancient zoo and that wall was to keep the dinosaurs in.
The article says 3000 years ;-)
Opps, you're right haha. But it also says "If the age of the wall is correct, the finding would be an indication that Jerusalem was home to a strong central government that had the resources and manpower needed to build massive fortifications in the 10th century B.C."

Wouldn't the 10th century BCE be 11,000 years ago? I'm confused on when this city allegedly existed. 10th century BCE would make Jerusalem older than Babylon. I'm more confused than I was after reading the bible for the first time.

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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by Bruce Burleson » Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:53 am

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T. Kari wrote:
cracka1337 wrote:
Wouldn't the 10th century BCE be 11,000 years ago? I'm confused on when this city allegedly existed. 10th century BCE would make Jerusalem older than Babylon. I'm more confused than I was after reading the bible for the first time.
No. A century is 100 years (pause for gasps and applause). The 10th Century BCE is from 901 BCE to 1000 BCE. That fits with the Old Testament time frame for David and Solomon.

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Re: Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

Post by statichaos » Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:58 am

A strong central government? Sure.

The characters of David and Solomon in the Bible based upon actual rulers? Why not? It's possible, though this should be approached with skepticism.

The actual David and/or Solomon from the Bible being the person or people who were responsible for the wall's construction? It seems highly doubtful without further evidence of the actual existence of these figures.

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