Man am I glad I deleted what I was actually going to write, the very fact that you apologised without being prompted is enough for me, welcome to RationaliaThinking Aloud wrote:http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 10#p347410Paco wrote:Funny thing Matt, I was wondering if you'd show up. I still remember your attitude and comments from a year ago, you've certainly changed your tune now.Matt H wrote:At the end of the day, a newspaper will always prefer the word of the most famous atheist in the world over a bunch of internet nobodies. Sorry, but that is how it goes; just how Dawkins will prefer the word of his own personal friend above a group of people he sees as little more than spoilt brats.
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d'oh I didn't see that banner. my mistake.Thinking Aloud wrote:Front page of the damned website. I don't know if that's evidence enough for you.Chauncey Gardner wrote:do you really just WANT it to be on the front page so people can stir up some more shit against Richard?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/
I've even saved it as a webarchive, just in case it changes.
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If I met you last year I would have had a lot more colourful opinions to share, you know how we felt now so it's water under the bridge, welcome again Matt.Matt H wrote:I'd like to apologise again for my comments last year. I went and did a Richard Dawkins by tarring you all with the same brush; it was uncalled for. I shouldn't have acted so sanctimonuous and superior to everyone. You all saw this coming, so you were one up on me.Paco wrote:Funny thing Matt, I was wondering if you'd show up. I still remember your attitude and comments from a year ago, you've certainly changed your tune now.Matt H wrote:At the end of the day, a newspaper will always prefer the word of the most famous atheist in the world over a bunch of internet nobodies. Sorry, but that is how it goes; just how Dawkins will prefer the word of his own personal friend above a group of people he sees as little more than spoilt brats.
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Chauncey Gardner wrote:no it's not. I';ve checked the UK edition and int. edition and various sections like science.Millefleur wrote:I've no idea, but its on the Times homepage as 'Dawkins attacked.. by atheists'.Chauncey Gardner wrote:I maybe wrong...but are these times links fake?
I was searching for Ruth Gledhills column in the REAL times newspaper online and couldn't find that supposed article about the dawkins thing.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sitese ... tionId=736
in fact the most recent times article related to dawkins was 19th feb.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sitese ... tionId=674
any web gurus here know how to check if the earlier links are legit?
do you really just WANT it to be on the front page so people can stir up some more shit against Richard?
You asked if it was legit and if anyone could verify it, I said I had no idea but it was on the Times homepage, which would be evidence enough for me that it is legit (it still being there and comments flooding in).
I don't particularly want to stir up shit against Richard but if the story is to be told I want to follow it and ensure it is correct.
Now bugger off.
EDIT: Ok, your mistake.
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Millefleur wrote:Chauncey Gardner wrote:no it's not. I';ve checked the UK edition and int. edition and various sections like science.Millefleur wrote:I've no idea, but its on the Times homepage as 'Dawkins attacked.. by atheists'.Chauncey Gardner wrote:I maybe wrong...but are these times links fake?
I was searching for Ruth Gledhills column in the REAL times newspaper online and couldn't find that supposed article about the dawkins thing.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sitese ... tionId=736
in fact the most recent times article related to dawkins was 19th feb.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sitese ... tionId=674
any web gurus here know how to check if the earlier links are legit?
do you really just WANT it to be on the front page so people can stir up some more shit against Richard?
You asked if it was legit and if anyone could verify it, I said I had no idea but it was on the Times homepage, which would be evidence enough for me that it is legit (it still being there and comments flooding in).
I don't particularly want to stir up shit against Richard but if the story is to be told I want to follow it and ensure it is correct.
Now bugger off.
EDIT: Ok, your mistake.
cool the jets milefleur. I didn't see the banner thing and when i searched on the times online I couldn't find anything. hence my scepticism.
when i didn't find anything I thought it was more "mob rule" stirring up more shit and excuses to attack richard/josh.
my mistake.
by the way..there's a great forum here: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/
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I also remembered, Matt, how you reacted last year. I admire your above post and thank you for it. Water under the bridge is right Paco. Cheers menPaco wrote:If I met you last year I would have had a lot more colourful opinions to share, you know how we felt now so it's water under the bridge, welcome again Matt.Matt H wrote:I'd like to apologise again for my comments last year. I went and did a Richard Dawkins by tarring you all with the same brush; it was uncalled for. I shouldn't have acted so sanctimonuous and superior to everyone. You all saw this coming, so you were one up on me.Paco wrote:Funny thing Matt, I was wondering if you'd show up. I still remember your attitude and comments from a year ago, you've certainly changed your tune now.Matt H wrote:At the end of the day, a newspaper will always prefer the word of the most famous atheist in the world over a bunch of internet nobodies. Sorry, but that is how it goes; just how Dawkins will prefer the word of his own personal friend above a group of people he sees as little more than spoilt brats.
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I've just posted the following over at The Times. Let's see if they publish the comment shall we?
I think this is a reasonable summation of the situation, don't you?As one of the former moderators of the forums, whose 2½ years of unpaid volunteer activity was declared surplus to requirements, allow me to present a few facts here, inconvenient though they may be for a juicy tabloid-style presentation painting the forum membership unjustly as an unwashed rabble of Neanderthals.
[1] The mod team was informed, months ago, that changes were to be made to the forum. However, details were not forthcoming. The mod team were not even shown basic screenshots of the protoptype new software in action, and all requests to provide the information we needed in order to implement the changes being decided upon in as seamless a manner as possible were simply ignored. I suspect a lot of foot soldiers in the IT world will be familiar with this scenario.
[2] When the public announcement was made to the forum membership, it was presented in such a manner as to suggest that the mod team assented in full to the changes that were being made, which was a blatant falsehood.
[3] When one of the moderators posted a message providing evidence to the membership that this was a blatant falsehood, said moderator was axed from the site. Not merely banned, but his entire user account destroyed, along with thousands of posts containing the very expositions of hard science that RD claims to be in favour of seeing more of.
[4] When forum members launched a thread critical of this move, the thread was summarily deleted, and several other users were expunged from the site, along with over 30,000 posts. Again, this included valuable material covering scientific topics, made accessible to the layman, of the very sort RD claims to be in favour of seeing posted. Which means that Josh Timonen, in deleting this material, was acting in direct contravention of the stated mission of his boss by destroying that material.
[5] Josh then placed the entire forum in read-only mode, wilfully destroyed information allowing members to maintain contact via other means, and in a move of truly juvenile petulance, redirected links intended to point to software backup portals to a Rick Astley video on YouTube (yes, he thought that rickrolling those wishing to back up their material constituted proper professional conduct).
[6] Members decanted in numbers to another forum, and vented their anger on that other forum..
[7] Josh lifted quote mined snippets from that forum, presented these to RD as if they constituted the substantive views of the exiled membership, whilst taking steps to ensure that his master never saw the substantive allegations against him with respect to the above-cited mendacious conduct, and took steps to hide his duplicity further by destroying moderator log entries that would have revealed his wilful vandalism of the forum and its contents.
[8] RD, placing a faintly ridiculous amount of trust in this individual, accepted these quote mines as fact, without checking his sources independently, and posted the tirade that has since become newsworthy.
In short, RD bestowed plenary powers upon Josh Timonen, who wilfully and maliciously abused them to entrench his own position of power. By doing so, Timonen has inflicted enormous damage upon his master's reputation, and indeed upon his master's stated mission, as cited above. Indeed, Dawkins' enemies amongst the professional liars for creationism could not have wished for a better result, had Timonen been planted within RD's organisation by them as a mole. Twenty years' hard work by Dawkins, alerting people to the dangers of doctrine centred world views, and attempting to educate people about valid science in the face of duplicitous ideological attack, has in effect been flushed down the toilet by his protegé.
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I love how you never change, Cali. You are our rock.

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For those who missed it, yes, the typepad blog is totally legit. All the explanations are under the topic "news coverage".
Hannah Devlin is one of the science editors at the Times. She wanted to put a blog up about it, and it remains to be seen if it gets into print. However, from the strong reaction she has witnessed you never know.
If you want to know more about how this came about, as I said, go to the topic, "news coverage".
Hannah Devlin is one of the science editors at the Times. She wanted to put a blog up about it, and it remains to be seen if it gets into print. However, from the strong reaction she has witnessed you never know.
If you want to know more about how this came about, as I said, go to the topic, "news coverage".
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I really hope they do Cali and i think they will, most of the newer posts are along the lines of 'get a life'/down with atheism etc. Wankers.
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That Cali ... Jesus 
The head-shaking, incidentally, is not in the negative sense but in the "Bloody hell ... how does he do it and keep on doing it, ffs?" sense, in case you were wondering.
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