Are you a sinner?

[M]

I have done things that I regret, that I am unable to forgive myself for and that I would definitely 'undo' if I were able. Is this what a godless sin might be?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

There are 'sins' that i have committed that I have thoroughly enjoyed and would do again in a heartbeat. Then there are those that I did out of spite or caprice which left a bad taste in my mouth - those I regret - that was just me being a cunt.

[Feck]

It wasn't my fault, I'm not responsible for all those terrible things I done the Devil tempted me

[maiforpeace]

My first girlfriend was a catholic. She didn't go to confession every week ( thank fuck) but the fact that some part of her thought that what we were doing
was a sin annoyed the hell out of me. The fact that authority figures in her life had spent years messing with her head upset me more .
My parents even lied to hers sometimes to cover that fact that she had spent the weekend with me alone. Why should my parents be forced into a lie ?
Why would a girl that horny even have to try giving up sex with her long term boyfriend (never lasted more than a week )

FUCK "sin" I do not subscibe to the twisted concept

I had a catholic girlfriend once. She was really twisted with catholic guilt too. For all of our relationship she kept it a secret from her friends. Then later when someone told her housemates about it, she lied and said actually I'd been stalking her for 6 months. This was basically to cover up the fact that she had a boyfriend and had been having sex. She was about 21 at the time.

I bet that filled you with love and harmony .

I had a catholic boyfriend who was so fucked up about sex that he couldn't get it up anywhere but IN THE BED. Apparently in bed it was OK because there it's for pro-creation. Any where else was for recreation, which was a sin.

And no oral ?

Yes, but he was really bad.

There's always some fucked up exception to the rules for the religious.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

[Pappa]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

In all normal terms they would be obliged to tell the police, but I have no idea if there is an exception made for priests... good question.

[klr]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

In all normal terms they would be obliged to tell the police, but I have no idea if there is an exception made for priests... good question.

In most jurisdictions, the priest is not required to report it to the authorities. Nor (generally speaking) can he face sanction for not doing so. In fact, the whole relationship of trust would break down if priests were expected to report to the authorities whatever wrongdoings were divulged to them in the confessional.

If however he failed to exhort the person concerned to turn themselves in accordance with the law of the land (rendering unto Caesar, etc.) ...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

[Pappa]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Which yes do you mean XC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest-pen ... in_England

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Thanks for that.

In a criminal matter, a priest may encourage the penitent to surrender to authorities- in some cases, this can be made a condition of absolution as part of one's penance. However, this is the extent of the leverage he wields; he may not directly or indirectly disclose the matter to civil authorities himself.

The potential for fun and games here is awesome!

[klr]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Which yes do you mean XC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest-pen ... in_England

"Yes" as in he should keep his mouth firmly shut (no jokes about altar boys please).

Just to clarify: I was answering the question from the "other" side - the law of the land. IIRC, an Irish attorney general once remarked that the internal laws of the Church should carry about as much weight as the laws of a private golf club.

[Pappa]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Thanks for that.

In a criminal matter, a priest may encourage the penitent to surrender to authorities- in some cases, this can be made a condition of absolution as part of one's penance. However, this is the extent of the leverage he wields; he may not directly or indirectly disclose the matter to civil authorities himself.

The potential for fun and games here is awesome!

My link says the opposite though.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Which yes do you mean XC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest-pen ... in_England

I meant yes, he is obliged to keep quiet about it. (Obliged by his bronze-age goat-herder mumbo-jumbo, that is.)

However, the law in the UK states that he does not fall under the same confidentiality rules as a lawyer-client relationship, so technically, a priest could be ordered to testify. If he refused to disclose what was said in the confessional, he would then be in contempt of court and liable to prosecution himself. I'd love to see that enforced!!

[Pappa]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Which yes do you mean XC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest-pen ... in_England

I meant yes, he is obliged to keep quiet about it. (Obliged by his bronze-age goat-herder mumbo-jumbo, that is.)

However, the law in the UK states that he does not fall under the same confidentiality rules as a lawyer-client relationship, so technically, a priest could be ordered to testify. If he refused to disclose what was said in the confessional, he would then be in contempt of court and liable to prosecution himself. I'd love to see that enforced!!

Aren't there certain offences that you are obliged to report if you witness? Or possibly all offences?

[klr]

Out of interest - If a person confesses to a sin that is also a crime (say, murder) is the priest obliged to report the confession to the police or is he obliged to stay quiet about it?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_ ... confession

Thanks for that.

In a criminal matter, a priest may encourage the penitent to surrender to authorities- in some cases, this can be made a condition of absolution as part of one's penance. However, this is the extent of the leverage he wields; he may not directly or indirectly disclose the matter to civil authorities himself.

The potential for fun and games here is awesome!

My link says the opposite though.

I guess English law does not respect the privacy of the confessional then. US and Irish laws do though.

...
Aren't there certain laws that you are obliged to report if you witness?

This doesn't involve actually witnessing anything. It's being told about something second hand. It falls under the general heading of privileged communication:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privileged_communication