Why does God allow natural disasters?

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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by devogue » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:03 pm

The Atheist wrote:Wow, how original!

There's a thread like this started by an ignorant atheist in every place they go. Fuck me, it's this sort of shit that enables christians to poke fun at atheists as misguided and ignorant twats.
some idiot wrote:But, as for those who believe in an all-good, all-powerful agent-God, we've seen that they face a question that remains pressing after all these centuries, and which is now horribly underscored by the horrors in Haiti. If a deity exists, why didn't he prevent this?
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(Hint: the sky-daddy does not agree to look after people like an over-protective parent, ensuring they never come into harm's way. Also, a lot more people died from preventable disease and road crashes in the past year than died/will die in Haiti, yet I don't see to many idiot atheists asking why the god allows traffic crashes.)
Yeah, but still. :tea:

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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by Mallardz » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:57 pm

God doesn't allow it.
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by klr » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:05 pm

The Atheist wrote:Wow, how original!

There's a thread like this started by an ignorant atheist in every place they go. Fuck me, it's this sort of shit that enables christians to poke fun at atheists as misguided and ignorant twats.
some idiot wrote:But, as for those who believe in an all-good, all-powerful agent-God, we've seen that they face a question that remains pressing after all these centuries, and which is now horribly underscored by the horrors in Haiti. If a deity exists, why didn't he prevent this?
E mail Herr RatZZinger for an easy answer.

(Hint: the sky-daddy does not agree to look after people like an over-protective parent, ensuring they never come into harm's way. Also, a lot more people died from preventable disease and road crashes in the past year than died/will die in Haiti, yet I don't see to many idiot atheists asking why the god allows traffic crashes.)
That's because this is headline event. Religious people do engage in the same same soul-searching after a lot of fatal traffic crashes and deaths from disease, but this is usually only done by those close to the event in personal terms. As for "idiot atheists" (love the gratuitous ad-homming by the way :roll:) asking questions: We are for the most part just responding to what religious people have said. We wouldn't be making an issue of this if they weren't.

A lot of people do indeed act (and believe) as if God can and does directly intervene in personal affairs, and on request. Haven't you ever seen people pray for intercession? Nothing Pappa Joe says is going to shake that belief amongst Catholics (never mind anyone else). Many Catholics couldn't really care less what he says anyway.
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by Trolldor » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:47 pm

North korea is best Korea.
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by charlou » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:54 pm

Derail regarding guidelines, behaviour, etc will be split. I'll post a link here when done.
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by charlou » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:13 pm

Guideline, behaviour, etc, derail can be found here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 05&start=0
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by AshtonBlack » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:33 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:North korea is best Korea.
Or do you not classify the deification and prayers to their Glorious eternal leader as a religion?
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by Trolldor » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:38 pm

Religion requires dogma to function, or it's not a religion.
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by klr » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:44 pm

Charlou wrote:Guideline, behaviour, etc, derail can be found here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 05&start=0
I still have at least one post in that thread that belongs in this discussion. :think:
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by AshtonBlack » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:45 pm

You can have dogma without religion, but not a religion without dogma. I agree!

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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by charlou » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:02 am

klr wrote:
Charlou wrote:Guideline, behaviour, etc, derail can be found here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 05&start=0
I still have at least one post in that thread that belongs in this discussion. :think:
I know ... Sorry, klr, it's difficult to tease these derails apart sometimes. It's a pity the interesting points (and they were interesting) being made and discussed were peppered with and overshadowed by gratuitous insults and arguments about those.
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by Hermit » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:23 am

I copypasted the article provided by KLR and another one about Pat Robertson's take on the disaster in another forum. One of the replies to that was along the lines of "oh, another excuse to bash religion."


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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:32 pm

Seraph wrote:I copypasted the article provided by KLR and another one about Pat Robertson's take on the disaster in another forum. One of the replies to that was along the lines of "oh, another excuse to bash religion."


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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by Pappa » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:08 pm

Seraph wrote:I copypasted the article provided by KLR and another one about Pat Robertson's take on the disaster in another forum. One of the replies to that was along the lines of "oh, another excuse to bash religion."


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Are you surprised though? That seems to be what moderate xtians think of most anti-religious thought.... it's just nasty shouting to them (plus they get terribly offended too).
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Re: Why does God allow natural disasters?

Post by klr » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:23 pm

Pappa wrote:
Seraph wrote:I copypasted the article provided by KLR and another one about Pat Robertson's take on the disaster in another forum. One of the replies to that was along the lines of "oh, another excuse to bash religion."


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Are you surprised though? That seems to be what moderate xtians think of most anti-religious thought.... it's just nasty shouting to them (plus they get terribly offended too).
So they can spout off whenever they like, but if we should so much as ever raise a finger about it ... :mob:
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