I will never understand Christian logic.

[leo-rcc]

While discussing some points with a theist this came up:

if this god exists he has some serious explaining to do

You say that like God would ever be required to answer to you. You have things backwards. God created the universe and you. God is the ultimate authority, not you or any other human. So it is you that will need to be explaining yourself (i.e., your rejection of Him) to God, not the other way around.

Is it just me or is he advocating that just because this god figure created us, we have to apologize to him for being a sadistic piece of crap?

[Thinking Aloud]

While discussing some points with a theist this came up:

if this god exists he has some serious explaining to do

You say that like God would ever be required to answer to you. You have things backwards. God created the universe and you. God is the ultimate authority, not you or any other human. So it is you that will need to be explaining yourself (i.e., your rejection of Him) to God, not the other way around.

Is it just me or is he advocating that just because this god figure created us, we have to apologize to him for being a sadistic piece of crap?

But of course!

He's also saying, "I know God's intentions better than you, so you'd better do what I say."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What logic?

[leo-rcc]

It gets better:

The whole "problem of evil" thing is certainly not limited to Christians, though. And while a Christian might not have an answer that you would find satisfactory, I wonder how you address the issue.

Specifically, from a Christian perspective given the propositions:

1.God is omnipotent.
2.God is omnibenevolent.
3.God is omniscient.
4.Evil exists

We can draw the conclusion:

5. God has a benevolent reason for the evil that exists.

While we do not know what that reason is for any or all evil that exists, there does not appear to be any logical contradictions given the conclusion 5.

From the perspective of the unbeliever, however, proposition 4 seems to create a problem.

Saying "evil exists" presupposes an objective, universal standard for what is evil and what is good. On the other hand, as far as I can tell, most if not all of the atheists here do not think there is any such objective and universal standard for evil or good. If that is the case then, it appears then that from an unbeliever's perspective there really is no "problem of evil" to assert against a Christian. If that is not the case, then I question what this objective and universal standard for evil and good is and where it came from.

[floppit]

Xtian logic - at least as I see it:

Where you see joy be grateful, where you see woe blame someone, where you feel woe blame yourself. Good things are done by god, bad things by people, all the bad things demonstrate how unworthy we people are and also how amazing god is to forgive enough to give the good things. When you don't know an answer it is because you cannot know the mind of god, when you do know an answer it is because god told you. God loves you as his own child but despite that one must remain humble, the loved unlovable by the grace of god.

But what I don't get - not even a teeny weeny bit is what logic lies behind expecting the above to produce logic!

[Feck]

Oxymoron


Christian logic = I am scared shitless of a big bad god other people not living in fear confuse me.

[Clinton Huxley]

According to this logic, not only can God have his cake and eat it, he can wave the cake in our faces, make us grovel for cake, refuse cake if we are insufficuently grovelly and make us thank him for it.

Magic.

[leo-rcc]

This guy is a comedy goldmine.

God exists and has revealed to His creation, particularly mankind, what God expects of us and the consequences of failure to meet the expectations. He has also revealed to us that we, ourselves, fail to live up to God's standard but has provided a solution so that we do not have to suffer the consequences (Jesus, God with us, came to earch, lived a perfect life, and died in our place. If we trust in Jesus and what He did, then we do not have to pay the price ourselves). So God reveals all of this to you and you do not take advantage of the solution. Who then is to blame? The one who set up the rules and has the authority to do so, or the one who hears and knows what the rules are and fails to follow them? I would say the latter.

[Pappa]

It gets better:

The whole "problem of evil" thing is certainly not limited to Christians, though. And while a Christian might not have an answer that you would find satisfactory, I wonder how you address the issue.

Specifically, from a Christian perspective given the propositions:

1.God is omnipotent.
2.God is omnibenevolent.
3.God is omniscient.
4.Evil exists

We can draw the conclusion:

5. God has a benevolent reason for the evil that exists.

While we do not know what that reason is for any or all evil that exists, there does not appear to be any logical contradictions given the conclusion 5.

From the perspective of the unbeliever, however, proposition 4 seems to create a problem.

Saying "evil exists" presupposes an objective, universal standard for what is evil and what is good. On the other hand, as far as I can tell, most if not all of the atheists here do not think there is any such objective and universal standard for evil or good. If that is the case then, it appears then that from an unbeliever's perspective there really is no "problem of evil" to assert against a Christian. If that is not the case, then I question what this objective and universal standard for evil and good is and where it came from.

That is amazing blindness.

Because of his first three premises, it logically follows that #5 must be true. Excellent.

[leo-rcc]

My €0.02:

He has also revealed to us that we, ourselves, fail to live up to God's standard but has provided a solution so that we do not have to suffer the consequences (Jesus, God with us, came to earch, lived a perfect life, and died in our place. If we trust in Jesus and what He did, then we do not have to pay the price ourselves).

This might very well be the most revolting part of Christianity. It is basically saying that you are an insignificant worm, who is guilty of a crime without ever having a say in the matter, and you just have to not only accept that a scapegoat is being used without your consent, you even have to rejoice in this beautiful sacrifice this god is making for you. And if you don't you must face the consequences of not loving this bully.

[Pappa]

My €0.02:

He has also revealed to us that we, ourselves, fail to live up to God's standard but has provided a solution so that we do not have to suffer the consequences (Jesus, God with us, came to earch, lived a perfect life, and died in our place. If we trust in Jesus and what He did, then we do not have to pay the price ourselves).

This might very well be the most revolting part of Christianity. It is basically saying that you are an insignificant worm, who is guilty of a crime without ever having a say in the matter, and you just have to not only accept that a scapegoat is being used without your consent, you even have to rejoice in this beautiful sacrifice this god is making for you. And if you don't you must face the consequences of not loving this bully.

That's the only way that can convince them of needing salvation, otherwise they'd think "Why the fuck do I need God anyway?"

[GeneticJen]

From RD.Net today:

"Allow me to at least assert, Peter, that Christianity, and the Bible, are THE most potently and radically and accurately "anti-superstition" cultural entities."

[Feck]

From RD.Net today:

"Allow me to at least assert, Peter, that Christianity, and the Bible, are THE most potently and radically and accurately "anti-superstition" cultural entities."

Yep they put the ASS in assert

[GeneticJen]

From RD.Net today:

"Allow me to at least assert, Peter, that Christianity, and the Bible, are THE most potently and radically and accurately "anti-superstition" cultural entities."

Yep they put the ASS in assert

I also laughed at the, "Allow me to at least assert X". He just asserted it. How the fuck am I meant to allow him or not now?

[RappingAgnostic]

Hahaha....
Christian logic? There is no such thing.

But hey...where did this come from?