Europe now has an unelected President and foreign minister

[klr]

Any outsider looking at the last few posts could get the wrong impression ... I wonder what Google [Bot] makes of this?

[Pappa]

Aren't these two really just figureheads though, representatives with no individual decision making power?

[klr]

Aren't these two really just figureheads though, representatives with no individual decision making power?

Correct, and that's why the people in question have been chosen - they fit the bill. They are not likely to go around posturing or mouthing off, let alone trying to actually achieve anything.

[Clinton Huxley]

Aren't these two really just figureheads though, representatives with no individual decision making power?

Correct, and that's why the people in question have been chosen - they fit the bill. They are not likely to go around posturing or mouthing off, let alone trying to actually achieve anything.

Maybe the EU needs someone who will mouth of a bit. GDP of about $18 Trillion, world presence equivalent to the Pitcairn Islands.

I want to see this Rumpy-Pumpy chap lamp Medvedevedev in the chops at a summit.

[Rum]

Aren't these two really just figureheads though, representatives with no individual decision making power?

Correct, and that's why the people in question have been chosen - they fit the bill. They are not likely to go around posturing or mouthing off, let alone trying to actually achieve anything.

Maybe the EU needs someone who will mouth of a bit. GDP of about $18 Trillion, world presence equivalent to the Pitcairn Islands.

I want to see this Rumpy-Pumpy chap lamp Medvedevedev in the chops at a summit.

And I want to see the bint have cosmetic surgery.

[Clinton Huxley]

Aren't these two really just figureheads though, representatives with no individual decision making power?

Correct, and that's why the people in question have been chosen - they fit the bill. They are not likely to go around posturing or mouthing off, let alone trying to actually achieve anything.

Maybe the EU needs someone who will mouth of a bit. GDP of about $18 Trillion, world presence equivalent to the Pitcairn Islands.

I want to see this Rumpy-Pumpy chap lamp Medvedevedev in the chops at a summit.

And I want to see the bint have cosmetic surgery.

There's a reality TV show in that:-

"I'm the EU Foreign Minister, Scrape the Fat from my Cheeks"

[devogue]

Derail Part 2 coming up...

[Clinton Huxley]

Derail Part 2 coming up...

We're only on page 2

[Pappa]

Derail Part 2 coming up...

[cursuswalker]

As a committed european I do not have a problem with this, as it is a means to an end in my view. The movement has always been towards more democracy in Europe (if one actually reads the treaties everyone shits themselves over) and these people were chosen by a council of democratically elected governments.

Though I would like to get to vote for a european president one day.

[FedUpWithFaith]

Derail Part 2 coming up...

I thought the derail was all this reiterated blather about European presidents and whatnot.

Devogue and I know what the real source of the problem is.

Jews.

[Rum]

As a committed european I do not have a problem with this, as it is a means to an end in my view. The movement has always been towards more democracy in Europe (if one actually reads the treaties everyone shits themselves over) and these people were chosen by a council of democratically elected governments.

Though I would like to get to vote for a european president one day.

In England we are used to our 'top' ( ) politicians in government being elected. There are a couple of exceptions, but on the whole if you are, say minister of Defence it is because you were elected in a local constituency first and you are then appointed as a minister. Even our Prime minister has a constituency and goes and works there from time to time.

The thought of the government of the day here voting in a President (or Prime minister) who has not been first elected by local people goes against our tradidition and democratic instincts.

[The Red Fox]

As a committed european I do not have a problem with this, as it is a means to an end in my view. The movement has always been towards more democracy in Europe (if one actually reads the treaties everyone shits themselves over) and these people were chosen by a council of democratically elected governments.

Though I would like to get to vote for a european president one day.

In England we are used to our 'top' ( ) politicians in government being elected. There are a couple of exceptions, but on the whole if you are, say minister of Defence it is because you were elected in a local constituency first and you are then appointed as a minister. Even our Prime minister has a constituency and goes and works there from time to time.

The thought of the government of the day here voting in a President (or Prime minister) who has not been first elected by local people goes against our tradidition and democratic instincts.

van Rompuy has been elected by his local 'constituency' of Belgium and has been appointed to his job in the EU by fellow politicians, just as it would happen here but on a larger scale.

I don't like it but we're in no position to complain without looking like hypocrites. Also, democratic 'instincts' we may have (I would contest that actually since most people here don't give a shit about democracy), but our system is not in practice democratic. Not by a long shot.

[cursuswalker]

As a committed european I do not have a problem with this, as it is a means to an end in my view. The movement has always been towards more democracy in Europe (if one actually reads the treaties everyone shits themselves over) and these people were chosen by a council of democratically elected governments.

Though I would like to get to vote for a european president one day.

In England we are used to our 'top' ( ) politicians in government being elected. There are a couple of exceptions, but on the whole if you are, say minister of Defence it is because you were elected in a local constituency first and you are then appointed as a minister. Even our Prime minister has a constituency and goes and works there from time to time.

The thought of the government of the day here voting in a President (or Prime minister) who has not been first elected by local people goes against our tradidition and democratic instincts.

RLY?



SRSLY?

[Rum]

As a committed european I do not have a problem with this, as it is a means to an end in my view. The movement has always been towards more democracy in Europe (if one actually reads the treaties everyone shits themselves over) and these people were chosen by a council of democratically elected governments.

Though I would like to get to vote for a european president one day.

In England we are used to our 'top' ( ) politicians in government being elected. There are a couple of exceptions, but on the whole if you are, say minister of Defence it is because you were elected in a local constituency first and you are then appointed as a minister. Even our Prime minister has a constituency and goes and works there from time to time.

The thought of the government of the day here voting in a President (or Prime minister) who has not been first elected by local people goes against our tradidition and democratic instincts.

RLY?



SRSLY?

Seriously. We have castrated the monarchy and the role is purely constitutional and ceremonial. Personally I would get rid of the monarchy, but it isn't going to happen soon.