God Admits Creating Evil

[devogue]

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So that's that then.

Interesting that "evil" has been replaced by "disaster" and "calamity" in later versions.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

God created Judas Iscariot. If he's omniscient he knew Judas would betray Jesus. He just let that happen. No whisper in the ear, etc. And no "Well, you got a raw deal on Earth, but I'll make it up to you here." Judas is in the 9th circle of Hell. (Which the Italians considered to be frozen, the worst thing they could think of.) So, God knew Judas was going to Hell and let it happen just so his son could get killed (with the guarantee of coming back, btw, as pointed out elsewhere). I once spend three days in Detroit. Hell can't be much worse than that.

[devogue]

God created Judas Iscariot. If he's omniscient he knew Judas would betray Jesus. He just let that happen. No whisper in the ear, etc. And no "Well, you got a raw deal on Earth, but I'll make it up to you here." Judas is in the 9th circle of Hell. (Which the Italians considered to be frozen, the worst thing they could think of.) So, God knew Judas was going to Hell and let it happen just so his son could get killed (with the guarantee of coming back, btw, as pointed out elsewhere). I once spend three days in Detroit. Hell can't be much worse than that.

Detroit, Detroit, Detroit - what the fuck went wrong there...?

Anyhoo, that's an incredibly explicit quote from Isaiah - I can't believe I've never come across it before today on RDF - must check and see the reasons for changing "evil" in later versions, although I think we know why...

[Trolldor]

It's only logical. Everyone knows god created the angels, and Lucifer was an angel, and god is omniscient therefore he knew what Lucifer would do, and even if Lucifer is the 'source of all sin' god is the source of the source of all sin anyway. You don't need a quote.
Except for those pesky jews.

[devogue]

It's only logical. Everyone knows god created the angels, and Lucifer was an angel, and god is omniscient therefore he knew what Lucifer would do, and even if Lucifer is the 'source of all sin' god is the source of the source of all sin anyway. You don't need a quote.
Except for those pesky jews.

Aye, but you know how evil is always presented as a free will choice away from god's influence and lots of wibblyness is spouted to cover up the rather distasteful clash with omniscience - it's good to have something that cuts right through all the shit and has the big man owning up.

[Pappa]

Interesting that "evil" has been replaced by "disaster" and "calamity" in later versions.

You can't beat the KJV.

[devogue]

Interesting that "evil" has been replaced by "disaster" and "calamity" in later versions.

You can't beat the KJV.

You can't get quicker than a Kwik fit fitter.

[Pappa]

Interesting that "evil" has been replaced by "disaster" and "calamity" in later versions.

You can't beat the KJV.

You can't get quicker than a Kwik fit fitter.

I have a KJV, I keep meaning to read it, but then never bother.

[Faithfree]

According to the New Testament, which most Christians take as more authoritative, god created sin by creating the law!

Romans 7:7

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 3:20

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 5:13

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

John 15:22

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had no sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

Romans 5:20

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.

(all quotes from the skeptics annotated bible)

[Feck]

The whole origin of "evil" is a good one to take up with theists.The bible just makes a total hash of it .And theists just go of into total La-La land trying to explain how we were all perfect before the fall ...Then evil entered the world so what "snake" where ? an "evil" angel .......Bollocks .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The whole origin of "evil" is a good one to take up with theists.The bible just makes a total hash of it .And theists just go of into total La-La land trying to explain how we were all perfect before the fall ...Then evil entered the world so what "snake" where ? an "evil" angel .......Bollocks .

Check out the MrDeity thread, the one with "Lucy".

[The Dawktor]

Interesting that "evil" has been replaced by "disaster" and "calamity" in later versions.

You can't beat the KJV.

But, apparently, they burn very well!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

But, apparently, they burn very well!

If you bend one into a tube and light the inside pages it can turn into a camp stove. Burns for about 1/2 hour if you regulate the air flow. Or so I'm told.

[Pappa]

But, apparently, they burn very well!

If you bend one into a tube and light the inside pages it can turn into a camp stove. Burns for about 1/2 hour if you regulate the air flow. Or so I'm told.

I burned a New International once, that was fun. I was dressed as a nun at the time too.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

But, apparently, they burn very well!

If you bend one into a tube and light the inside pages it can turn into a camp stove. Burns for about 1/2 hour if you regulate the air flow. Or so I'm told.

I burned a New International once, that was fun. I was dressed as a nun at the time too.

Stay for the end.