You gotta love Faux News.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No surprise here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwD-zdBl ... re=channel[/youtube]

[Animavore]

It begins.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Drewish]

You're right. I couldn't watch the whole thing. i quit when he asked if she was going to swear on a stack of bibles.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You're right. I couldn't watch the whole thing. i quit when he asked if she was going to swear on a stack of bibles.

[Drewish]

Just in case you thought Fox had a monopoly on bias misinformation.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Just in case you thought Fox had a monopoly on bias misinformation.

Remember, I'm a historian, I don't wonder if someone is lying, I just wonder what they're lying about.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

BTW, what did you think was biased about that?

[Drewish]

BTW, what did you think was biased about that?

It wass basically one giant strawman argument, with a ton of ad hominems thrown in and a card stacking bonanza.

Straw man here is that "tea baggers" are all hypocrites because they were once Bush supporters (that's true for about 2 / 3rds of them, but in my experience, but that's certainly not a fair portrayal of the rest of them.)

It pretends that Fox news, tea party attendants and the republicans are all the same people (Not a chance in nonexistent hell.)

And instead of actually playing clips of what people say, it paraphrases their words in infantile and distorted ways while playing video of them speaking to link the paraphrased words with them.

It's important to have friends with different political biases than yourself, because they tend to be better at pointing out the bullshit that you can't see because you subconsciously agree with the underlying sentiment.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Interesting. I ignored the slanging and stuck the snippets of information provided, sparse though they be. Having read far more of Hitler's speeches than I would have done otherwise I have a pretty high threshold for outrage.

And, as a student of conspiracies, the "teabaggers" will be something I'd look forward to exploring in a few decades, after it has cooled off.

[Drewish]

But ti's not a conspiracy, it's just people who think that the government is wasting a lot of our money and taking tax dollars that it doesn't do anything useful with.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

But ti's not a conspiracy, it's just people who think that the government is wasting a lot of our money and taking tax dollars that it doesn't do anything useful with.

So, you don't think there was any orchestration involved in the "tea parties"?

[Drewish]

I know someone who "orchestrated" a tea party and who has given speeches at two of them. Like anything else, they come from a variety of sources. The biggest ones probably had some big political backers, but so what? (By the way I've attended two myself.)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I know someone who "orchestrated" a tea party and who has given speeches at two of them. Like anything else, they come from a variety of sources. The biggest ones probably had some big political backers, but so what? (By the way I've attended two myself.)

Okay, you believe that the "tea parties" were genuinely "grass roots"? By that I mean if the impetus hadn't been provided by "interested parties" (like Faux News) they would have happened anyway? That they were truly spontaneous?

[Drewish]

Well like anyone else I can only speak for my own motivations. I know that I first heard about it through the Objectivist Party's official news letter (the political party that I'm in.) So that's a political party source, but then again it's a small third party. What exactly qualifies as grass roots then? Are we saying that things are somehow less legitimate if they're covered on TV? If you want to know what one is about, then go to one and tlak to the people there. Anything else is just empty conjecture.