Proof for an Intelligent Creator and His purpose

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Proof for an Intelligent Creator and His purpose

Post by AndersBranderud » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:48 pm

According to science our universe has a beginning (search at “age of the universe” on www.pnas.org) and time is purely physical. Therefore there can be no such thing as time external to the physical universe. Timespace has a beginning.

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo (since timespace has a beginning); i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator / Singularity).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source and further reading of how to relate to the Creator:www.netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

(The most common counter arguments are answered at http://bloganders.blogspot.com/search/l ... 0arguments)

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I want to post an article I hope you will find interesting. According to science our universe has a beginning (search at “age of the universe” in www.pnas.org ) and time is purely physical. Therefore there can be no such thing as time external to the physical universe. Timespace has a beginning. It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo (since timespace has a beginning); i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. To conclude the above paragraphs: Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause. Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator / Singularity). Ergo: There is no universe. Fact: There is a universe. Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof). (Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.) Being logically consistent (orderly), orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind. It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source and further reading of how to relate to the Creator: www.netzarim.co.il) The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator. (The most common counter arguments are answered at http://bloganders.blogspot.com/search/l ... 0arguments)








According to science our universe has a beginning (search at “age of the universe” on www.pnas.org) and time is purely physical. Therefore there can be no such thing as time external to the physical universe. Timespace has a beginning.

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo (since timespace has a beginning); i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator / Singularity).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect.
An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source and further reading of how to relate to the Creator:www.netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

(The most common counter arguments are answered at http://bloganders.blogspot.com/search/l ... 0arguments)

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:50 pm

Oh. OK. :ddpan:

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:50 pm

Now could you tell us all that in your own words, instead of copying and pasting from some fundie site? Otherwise, I am afraid that you are nothing but a spammer and will be treated as such. :roll:
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:52 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Now could you tell us all that in your own words, instead of copying and pasting from some fundie site? Otherwise, I am afraid that you are nothing but a spammer and will be treated as such. :roll:
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Post by irreligionist » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:52 pm

what's happening to ratz? :think:

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Post by klr » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:07 pm

Did anyone else Google the username? SOP in cases like this ... :coffee:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:12 pm

klr wrote:Did anyone else Google the username? SOP in cases like this ... :coffee:
Don't try to teach grandma how to suck eggs, K. People been complaining about lack of chew toys. :levi:
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:13 pm

The uncharitable might regard this thread as proof of an unintelligent spammer and his purpose. I couldn't possibly comment. :tea:
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Post by klr » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:21 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:The uncharitable might regard this thread as proof of an unintelligent spammer and his purpose. I couldn't possibly comment. :tea:
I like your turn of phrase ... things are finally looking up in this thread. :eddy:
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Post by anna09 » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:23 pm

chew toys! :woot:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:45 pm

Anders, why would it be YOUR gods, the Vanir, that created the Universe? And who created him/her/it?
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Post by maiforpeace » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:55 pm

anna09 wrote:chew toys! :woot:
If he responds he's a chew toy, otherwise he's just a dead fish. :dono:
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Re: Proof for an Intelligent Creator and His purpose

Post by charlou » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:00 pm

pffft. :ddpan:

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Post by klr » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:01 pm

Charlou wrote:pffft. :ddpan:

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I just said the same thing in his welcome thread ... :lol:

... but without the value-added graphic. :ddpan:
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