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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:35 pm

Wednesday, March 4th, 2009 | ISSN 1556-5696

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In this week’s eSkeptic:

* feature article: “Reasons To Believe” … or Not
* our next Caltech lecture: William Lobdell: Losing My Religion



In this week’s eSkeptic, Gary J. Whittenberger shares his analysis of the debate between Michael Shermer and Hugh Ross/Fazale Rana, on whether or not creationism can be a testable science.

Gary Whittenberger is a free-lance writer and psychologist, living in Tallahassee, Florida. He received his doctoral degree from Florida State University after which he worked for 23 years as a psychologist in prisons. He has published many articles on science, philosophy, psychology, and religion, and their intersection.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:48 pm

From Gary Whittenberger's article “Reasons To Believe” … or Not
Ross and Rana proudly asserted that their RTB model makes predictions, like any good scientific model should. But some of the predictions that they presented at the debate were not very impressive. Ross claimed that he had used the model several years ago to accurately predict that science would discover more and more finely-tuned physical constants that could only have been produced by a majestic fine-tuner, and he claimed that this prediction will continue to be fulfilled. All this really means is that persons who wish to believe in God, especially physicists, will continue to pick out factors and constants whose values they assert could have been different, are very improbable, and must have been selected by an Intelligent Design or God for a noble purpose — the eventual creation of human beings. Now, there is a prediction you can take to the bank!
Hallelujah! It's about time science caught up with the facts about God and His true majesty!
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Post by Pauline » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:52 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:From Gary Whittenberger's article “Reasons To Believe” … or Not
Ross and Rana proudly asserted that their RTB model makes predictions, like any good scientific model should. But some of the predictions that they presented at the debate were not very impressive. Ross claimed that he had used the model several years ago to accurately predict that science would discover more and more finely-tuned physical constants that could only have been produced by a majestic fine-tuner, and he claimed that this prediction will continue to be fulfilled. All this really means is that persons who wish to believe in God, especially physicists, will continue to pick out factors and constants whose values they assert could have been different, are very improbable, and must have been selected by an Intelligent Design or God for a noble purpose — the eventual creation of human beings. Now, there is a prediction you can take to the bank!
Hallelujah! It's about time science caught up with the facts about God and His true majesty!
Facts and God in one sentense.

Please provide facts re said God.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:00 pm

Pauline wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:From Gary Whittenberger's article “Reasons To Believe” … or Not
Ross and Rana proudly asserted that their RTB model makes predictions, like any good scientific model should. But some of the predictions that they presented at the debate were not very impressive. Ross claimed that he had used the model several years ago to accurately predict that science would discover more and more finely-tuned physical constants that could only have been produced by a majestic fine-tuner, and he claimed that this prediction will continue to be fulfilled. All this really means is that persons who wish to believe in God, especially physicists, will continue to pick out factors and constants whose values they assert could have been different, are very improbable, and must have been selected by an Intelligent Design or God for a noble purpose — the eventual creation of human beings. Now, there is a prediction you can take to the bank!
Hallelujah! It's about time science caught up with the facts about God and His true majesty!
Facts and God in one sentense.

Please provide facts re said God.

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Well, you have it right here, in the quote:
"All this really means is that persons who wish to believe in God, especially physicists, will continue to pick out factors and constants whose values they assert could have been different, are very improbable, and must have been selected by an Intelligent Design or God for a noble purpose."
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Post by Woodbutcher » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:52 am

These constants came first, and that led to our evolution. These constants were not "picked" to enable our existence. These people are looking at things backwards like always. They state something and then seek to prove their point by fudging the data. Creationism and ID start with the unalterable fact that God exists, then look for anything that they can use to say "God interfered" to make it happen. They accept nothing that would cast doubt in the existence of a superior being. Retards!
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:09 pm

Woodbutcher wrote:These constants came first, and that led to our evolution. These constants were not "picked" to enable our existence. These people are looking at things backwards like always. They state something and then seek to prove their point by fudging the data. Creationism and ID start with the unalterable fact that God exists, then look for anything that they can use to say "God interfered" to make it happen. They accept nothing that would cast doubt in the existence of a superior being. Retards!
Seek, and you shall find eh?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:09 am

Wednesday, August 26th, 2009 | ISSN 1556-5696

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Gawdzilla wrote:Wednesday, September 2nd, 2009

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In this week’s eSkeptic, we featured investigative journalist Steve Salerno’s piece on the criminal justice system. Many of you caught our mistake (made by the editors, not Mr. Salerno) of the percent incarcerated: in China it is .12% and in America it is .76%.

We also wanted to remind you of the big Atheist Alliance International conference featuring some of the biggest names in skepticism speaking in Burbank, Southern California, which by the weekend of Oct. 2–4, should no longer be on fire! Here is all the information you need.

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Post by VonMushroom » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:49 pm

Woodbutcher wrote:These constants came first, and that led to our evolution. These constants were not "picked" to enable our existence. These people are looking at things backwards like always. They state something and then seek to prove their point by fudging the data. Creationism and ID start with the unalterable fact that God exists, then look for anything that they can use to say "God interfered" to make it happen. They accept nothing that would cast doubt in the existence of a superior being. Retards!
Ya right. Say no more. I'd call it wishful thinking of a frightened individual. :)

These people just don't have any insight into their cognitive dissonance. They simply can't admit they're wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
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