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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:50 pm

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When thorny, politically charged issues arise in court, judges sometimes simply declare the cases too political for the legal system to resolve — effectively sending them back to other branches of government.

The justices could invoke this principle, known as the “political question doctrine,” to bow out of the issue of Trump’s disqualification, but doing so would likely leave the Colorado Supreme Court decision in place.

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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:00 pm

Elsewhere: the Mitch McConnell conspiracy topic. Had to do with 14th amendment but spun off topic.
Everyone is over looking the real Question, this will all most likely boil down to what my Senator Mitch McConnell wants, Mitch wants to Retake the Senate and keep the house, he might see Trump as an Obstruction in the Way of that.
If Trump wins the Nomination he will be on Trial in March, and will most likely be convicted. The Republicans will be stuck with his Legal Fees and Lawsuits that will most likely bleed funding from Senate and House candidates. This may be a Way for Mitch McConnell's Court to get rid of a thorn in his side, and move on to a better Canidate more inline with Mitch McConnell's plans to keep the House and retake the Senate.
If Trump won and Mitch got the senate too, he would not know what to do with Trump.

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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 09, 2024 2:13 pm

Trump lawyer has labeled crimes by Bill Clinton as "private conduct."
Rape and such. Overturning elections...that's different.

The judges have vaguely addressed the word "officer" as it applies to the president.

From the Trump lawyer I am getting a concept. The courts can block presidential acts, such as Biden loan forgiveness. But presidents cannot be charged with crimes while president.

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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:32 pm

Trump is in court, but is not going to be heard. He apparently only reacted when his own lawyer said Trump was winning in the polls. And implied this was a witch hunt by Biden DOJ.

Obama was brought up. He apparently had an Al Quaida memeber killed abroad who was a US citizen.

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Post by rasetsu » Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:37 pm

Do Tero's fingers ever get tired?

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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:57 pm

rasetsu wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:37 pm
Do Tero's fingers ever get tired?
Waiting for it to get to over 20F to continue shoveling snow.

As for my typing, I don't type well. And lately I have developed a sort of dyslexia that only appears with typing. I do not do that with a pen.

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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:43 pm

'It'll be Bedlam': Trump hit for 'veiled threats' immediately after immunity hearing

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Post by Tero » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:18 pm

Wiki, under jack Smith case
On December 27, the special counsel asked the court to prohibit Trump from presenting "irrelevant disinformation", such as Trump's accusations that the mayor of Washington, D.C., the National Guard, and the Capitol Police failed to prevent the attack. Smith argued: "A bank robber cannot defend himself by blaming the bank’s security guard for failing to stop him."

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Post by Tero » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:26 pm

Trump rebuttal, out of turn:
BREAKING: “The financial statements were perfect, there were no witnesses against us, the banks got paid back… the banks are as happy as can be… there’s no fraud. What’s happened here sir, is a fraud on me,” Trump told the judge.
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Post by Tero » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:11 pm

Trump a master of something? Not really, makes a good story. In fact he ultimately failed. They did not smash enough of the laptops that had the accounting.
For literally more than 50 years, according to thousands of pages of court records and hundreds of interviews with lawyers and legal experts, people who have worked for Trump, against Trump or both, and many of the myriad litigants who’ve been caught in the crossfire, Trump has taught himself how to use and abuse the legal system for his own advantage and aims. Many might view the legal system as a place to try to avoid, or as perhaps a necessary evil, or maybe even as a noble arbiter of equality and fairness. Not Trump. He spent most of his adult life molding it into an arena in which he could stake claims and hunt leverage. It has not been for him a place of last resort so much as a place of constant quarrel. Conflict in courts is not for him the cost of doing business — it is how he does business. Throughout his vast record of (mostly civil) lawsuits, whether on offense, defense or frequently a mix of the two, Trump has become a sort of layman’s master in the law and lawfare.

“He doesn’t see the legal system as a means of obtaining justice for all,” Jim Zirin, the author of Plaintiff in Chief: A Portrait of Donald Trump in 3,500 Lawsuits, told me. He sees it rather as a “tool,” said Ian Bassin, a former White House lawyer in the administration of Barack Obama and the current executive director of Protect Democracy, “in his quest to command attention and ultimately power.” But it’s not merely any tool. It’s his most potent tactic and fundamental to any and all successes he’s had. “There’s probably no single person in America,” said Eric Swalwell, the Democratic member of Congress from California and a former prosecutor and Trump impeachment manager, “who is more, I would say, knowledgeable and experienced in our legal system — as both a plaintiff and as a defendant — than Donald Trump.”

He’s exploited as loopholes the legal system’s bedrock tenets, eyeing its very integrity as simultaneously its intrinsic vulnerability — the near sacrosanct honoring of the rights of the defendant, the deliberation that due process demands, the constant constitutional balancing act that relies on shared good faith as much as fixed, written rules. He has routinely turned what’s obviously peril into what’s effectively fuel, taking long rosters of losses and willing them into something like wins — if not in a court of law, then in that of public opinion.
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Post by Tero » Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:01 pm

The trick is to tell the stupid working class that you ARE heloing them. And that they should NEVER take a government hadout. They already believed that.
He doesn’t ascribe the rise of Trump solely to a lumpen mass of redneck working-class Americans, deplorables to borrow a phrase. “I do not believe that all of Trump’s supporters are racist or sexist or homophobes. I think what’s going on in this country is a belief that the government is failing ordinary Americans.”

Yet he denounces the party establishment as a “consultant-driven, ad-producing election machine”.

It is “beyond pathetic”, he writes in the book, that a phoney corporate hack like Trump should be able to present himself as the “champion of the working classes”, while the Democratic party stands back and cedes territory to him. He caricatures the Democratic promise to voters as, “We’re pretty bad, but Republicans are worse”, and warns that is simply not good enough.

“There’s no question. The polling is clear. Given the choice between Biden and Trump, there are a lot of people saying, ‘Thank you, but no thank you.’”

It’s a strikingly different analysis from that offered by much of the commentariat, which has lasered in on Biden’s age. Which is interesting, because Sanders, at 82, is a year older than the president yet rarely gets labelled as old. If anything, he comes across as ageless – as crotchety and energetic as he’s ever been.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:09 pm

The US cannot help the working class. The disadvantage is baked-in. They can only manage their expectations and prevent unrest.

Do you need better infrastructure? I bet you're thinking about it as these storms roll in, well, what input did you have in any decisions about updating systems that supply your community? --none, that's a business decision, and it's not your business-- Who will help you to build a case for your complaints? --nobody-- How will you hold the companies supplying your community responsible? --you won't-- Maybe you'll look to the competition. --it doesn't exist--

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