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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Svartalf » Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:41 pm

Tero wrote:
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Denazification of Ukraine carried out by Russian nazi
https://twitter.com/im_PULSE/status/1500215511547883530
There are no such things as russian nazi, the correct term is old school staliniste.
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Post by laklak » Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:11 pm

Statue by Viktor Korpachev, "Brain, Strength, and Soul". Vlad as a Bear Angel, holding a sturgeon, and stomping on an eagle. You can see the family connection with Dobby.
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Post by Hermit » Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:15 pm

macdoc wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:30 am
I think the quote was for 90% of the forces Putin had designated for this "special effort"
Indicating not a lot of reserve for in the immediate vicinity for conventional warefare.
Ah. OK. That's not at all the same as
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Um Russia has committed 90% of its conventional armed forces to this pissant fight in the Ukraine.....pretty shabby cat you are so frightened of.
Without nukes he doesn't have much left in conventional weapons.
don't you think?
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:40 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:11 pm
Statue by Viktor Korpachev, "Brain, Strength, and Soul". Vlad as a Bear Angel, holding a sturgeon, and stomping on an eagle. You can see the family connection with Dobby.
:hilarious: I remember this, DRSB may have posted it before. Is the artist an activist?
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Post by Tero » Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:44 pm

Putin sure did not count on all the civilians being nazis that oppose his army. This has to be a new phase of war, in the social media age. Why didn't Putin just destroy all the communications to Ukraine before going in?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/c ... index.html

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Post by Svartalf » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:38 pm

Tero wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:44 pm
Putin sure did not count on all the civilians being nazis that oppose his army. This has to be a new phase of war, in the social media age. Why didn't Putin just destroy all the communications to Ukraine before going in?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/c ... index.html
I just wonder how he could be thinking that Ukraine's inhabitants, even those that mainly speak russian, would take it well to have their own national identity stripped from them by an upstart state governed by a soviet era leftover...
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Post by macdoc » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:45 pm

Interesting point that both states began as part of the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
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Post by macdoc » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:51 pm

Propaganda war - always seems counter intuitive to see the outside of tanks lined with explosives.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by JimC » Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:49 pm

Tero wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:56 pm
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Russia has said it will open new humanitarian corridors to allow civilians to evacuate.

Evacuation routes published by Russia’s RIA Novosti news agency show civilians will be able to leave to Russia and Belarus.

The corridor from Kyiv will lead to Russian ally Belarus, and civilians from Kharkiv will only have a corridor leading to Russia.
So, the evacuations will conveniently lead to the mass re-education camps...
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Post by macdoc » Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:22 pm

a glimmer
A spokesperson for Russia’s government said the attacks would stop if Ukraine ceased military action, enshrined neutrality in its constitution, acknowledged Crimea as Russian territory and recognised Donetsk and Luhansk as independent territories.

Analysts noted that Russia’s latest demands do not include the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine, understood to mean the installation of a new regime.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:48 am

UK supermarket Sainsbury's renamed their own-brand Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv, and apparently the White Russian cocktail is now being called the White Ukraine.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Svartalf » Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:39 am

The owner of my local bar has decided to take the moscow mule off his cocktail list and put the london mule instead.... I wonder if the Bloody Mary will be replaced by a gin based Bloody Cathy...
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Tero » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:11 pm

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00014580

It was at this juncture that Kennedy invited Kekkonen to two days of talks in Washington on Oct. 16 and 17, 1961. JFK hoped to use Kekkonen to send a message to Moscow underscoring America’s and his renewed resolve. He also wanted to buck up the “pliable” Finnish president — the adjective frequently used to describe Kekkonen by the U.S. embassy in Helsinki — and get him to act more like the leader of a true democracy.

At their meeting at the White House, Kekkonen proved of only moderate help to Kennedy as a Kremlinologist. Despite his closeness to the Soviet leadership, the Finn confessed that he was just as baffled by his combustible Russian friend’s moves as his host.


The best Kekkonen could offer by way of analyzing Khrushchev, according to the State Department transcript, was “that he had the impression that the Soviets suffer from an inferiority complex and they are not always treated in a manner appropriate to their power and importance.” That mirrored JFK’s takeaway from his earlier collision with Khrushchev at Vienna that the latter projected “a feeling of not having arrived and a feeling of being better than anyone else.”

Kekkonen speculated that Khrushchev’s resumption of nuclear testing “had something to do with the German question.” Nor was he exactly sure why Moscow tolerated Finnish democracy. “The case of Finland was a special one,” he mused, “which Finland herself could not always understand.”

Both men, it is fair to say, came away from their conclave with an enhanced respect for each other. For Kennedy’s part, the meeting likely also reinforced his resolve to come to Finland — and Kekkonen’s — aid when the opportunity presented itself.

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Tero » Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:39 pm

They were on their way to stop the war that...they started!
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FM #Lavrov: The goal of Russia’s special military operation is to stop any war that could take place on Ukrainian territory or that could start from there.

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