Vaccination: mandated and/or incentivised

[Tero]

Broadcaster comes in favor of vaccines and..
(RNS) — The spokesman for a major evangelical nonprofit was fired for promoting vaccines on the MSNBC “Morning Joe” cable news show, Religion News Service has learned.

Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to back down from his pro-vaccine statements, according to a source authorized to speak for Darling.

His firing comes at a time when Americans face a new surge of COVID-19 infections due to the highly contagious Delta variant even as protesters and politicians resist mask mandates or other preventive measures.

https://religionnews.com/2021/08/27/nrb ... hesitancy/

[Brian Peacock]

Fingers crossed

Ditto.

[Brian Peacock]

Broadcaster comes in favor of vaccines and..
(RNS) — The spokesman for a major evangelical nonprofit was fired for promoting vaccines on the MSNBC “Morning Joe” cable news show, Religion News Service has learned.

Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to back down from his pro-vaccine statements, according to a source authorized to speak for Darling.

His firing comes at a time when Americans face a new surge of COVID-19 infections due to the highly contagious Delta variant even as protesters and politicians resist mask mandates or other preventive measures.

https://religionnews.com/2021/08/27/nrb ... hesitancy/

Good god.

Good god?

[Scot Dutchy]

... fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital...

Make your mind up.

... 19 out the 20 who end up in hospital are not fully vaccinated...

c.5% of people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated.

Where do you read that?

[Hermit]

... fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital...

Make your mind up.

... 19 out the 20 who end up in hospital are not fully vaccinated...

c.5% of people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated.

Scot Dutchy describes data as absolute if they suit his case. If they don't, they become fairy data. This is why the same data can be absolute at one time and fairy data at another.

[Brian Peacock]

... fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital...

Make your mind up.

... 19 out the 20 who end up in hospital are not fully vaccinated...

c.5% of people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated.

Where do you read that?

From your post -> 100/20*19 = 95% of people in hospital are not fully vaccinated, therefore 5% are fully or partially vaccinated.

It's also generally accepted that the AstraZ vaccine is c.92% effective and the Pfizer c.96% effective. Meaning they are ineffective in around 4-8% of the time. c.5% is a safe hedge between the two. Also...

... Covid jabs are not a perfect shield. They slow the spread of the virus, help prevent disease, and reduce the risk of dying. They do not bring all this to an end.

In the months ahead many thousands of people will be in hospital with Covid. What may seem more troubling is that ever more will have received two vaccination doses.

This does not mean the immunisations are not doing their job. Real-world data from Public Health England show that two shots of the Oxford/AstraZeneca or of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine are 92% and 96% effective, respectively, against hospital admission.

On Thursday, the vaccines minister, Nadhim Zahawi, said the vaccine programme had prevented an estimated 52,000 hospitalisations.

So why will the majority of those in hospital with Covid be double jabbed? There are several factors at work. First of all, who has and has not been vaccinated matters. Across the UK about 30% of adults are not fully vaccinated. While some are vulnerable people who for some reason have not been jabbed, the majority are young, and healthy enough not to be considered at particular risk: these are people who would very rarely get sick enough with Covid-19 to need hospital care.

Looked at another way, the 70% of the population that has been doubled jabbed include the most vulnerable in society. Because the vaccines are not perfect even a small percentage of what scientists call “breakthrough infections” can lead to a large number of hospitalisations – predominantly in this older group...

(21 July 2021) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... re-failing

This seems at odds with your statement that "fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital", even after you contradicted yourself in a following post.

So which statement are you going to go with? The one which declares that the fully vaccinated don't end up in hospital, or with the admission that a relatively small proportion of people in hospital will have been vaccinated and that this proportion will grow over time as more people get the jabs?

[Scot Dutchy]

From your post -> 100/20*19 = 95% of people in hospital are not fully vaccinated, therefore 5% are fully or partially vaccinated.

That is an assumption and is not stated. Once again playing silly buggers. There are people fully vaccinated who end up in hospital. It is not black or white as you are trying to make out.

The study found that 19 of the 20 were not fully vaccinated. That is all you can say.

[Hermit]

No fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital. Our RIVM has just completed a study.

A link to the just completed study would come in handy. Or even merely a link where RIVM mentioned that no fully vaccinated end up in hospital.

[Brian Peacock]

From your post -> 100/20*19 = 95% of people in hospital are not fully vaccinated, therefore 5% are fully or partially vaccinated.

That is an assumption and is not stated. Once again playing silly buggers. There are people fully vaccinated who end up in hospital. It is not black or white as you are trying to make out.

The study found that 19 of the 20 were not fully vaccinated. That is all you can say.

But that is not all that you said is it?

You stated that 'The study' concluded that 95% of people in hospital were 'not fully vaccinated'. We can take from this that 'not fully vaccinated' means unvaccinated or having one of a two-dose jab. That leaves 5% unspoken for, but as I pointed out the assumption that the remain 5%-ish were fully vaccinated is sound because,

i) whatever 'The study' was, in order to arrive at that conclusion it was clearly looking at the proportion of people in hospital with Covid who were jabbed or not-jabbed, and

ii) because the two main vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing infection, as reported from real-world data, they leave about 5% of the jabbed open to infection.

We can also look at figures around the world where the proportion of jabbed and un-jabbed Covid patients in hospital are reported. This also conforms to my statement that around 5% of people in hospital are fully jabbed. This should not be a controversial statement. As the article I quoted pointed out, for simple arithmetical reasons that proportion is likely to continue to rise for some time. In other words - the jabs don't stop people ending up in hospital with Covid, just most people.

All that aside, what I'm asking you to make your mind up about is which of your posts are you going with? The one where you said the vaccinated don't end up in hospital, or the one which contradicted it? In either case you need to provide some context, preferably 'The study' or articles about it, so it doesn't look like you've just made something up that feels about right but has no actual basis in data.

[Scot Dutchy]

FFS. Really. Talk about "mierenneuken" (fucking ants). JFCOAPS. Make up your mind and stick with it. A world wide study? Linky...

[Brian Peacock]

Stop flapping. Do the jabs stop you ending up in hospital, like you said, or do some vaccinated patients end up there anyway, like you said? You can't have it both ways now can you?

[Seabass]

Dutch self-contradiction is the best self-contradiction... :dutch:

(this forum should have a :dutch: emoji...)

[Scot Dutchy]

Dutch self-contradiction is the best self-contradiction... :dutch:

(this forum should have a :dutch: emoji...)

Unsupported claim.

[Scot Dutchy]

We should have an American emoji for corruption. You are so good at spreading it.

No sorry ofcourse it should be Johnson and Chumocracy.

[Sean Hayden]

Hats off to dutchy's creators.