Critical Race Theory

[Sean Hayden]

What would you have Seabass do? Ignore racism in the US and focus on power imbalances generally?

Perhaps. But I doubt that's the right answer. I think it is the right focus to counter Tucker's bullshit though, and certainly better than what Seabass offered.

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Man, if white America is this afraid of black people, wait until they find out about white people. Sheeeit.

Oh come on man, really?

That was mainly a joke, but the point was that it's absurd for white America to be so fearful of black people given the great violence that has been done by white America over the years.

And remember that this was a response to the insane comment by the racist far-right Michael Savage where he said that CRT was the road to deathcamps for white people. You seem to think I'm just randomly attacking white people for no reason.

Oh, I'm definitely being somewhat unfair.

The point was only that here again we have something which isn't "white".

How have so many--not you--come to the "realization" that there exists a fundamental difference between white Europeans and others, and could these examples contribute?

It defeats your purpose, maybe...

[Hermit]

What would you have Seabass do? Ignore racism in the US and focus on power imbalances generally?

Perhaps. But I doubt that's the right answer. I think it is the right focus to counter Tucker's bullshit though, and certainly better than what Seabass offered.

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Man, if white America is this afraid of black people, wait until they find out about white people. Sheeeit.

Oh come on man, really?

That was mainly a joke...

In addition to the profit motive there was also a political one. Destruction of the Bison herds deprived the plains Indians of their main food source. The Indians could then be herded into reservations and controlled. This was not just a coincidental by-product of the fur traders. General Sherman, General Sheridan and President Grant made it quite explicit.

On June 26, 1869, the Army Navy Journal reported: "General Sherman remarked, in conversation the other day, that the quickest way to compel the Indians to settle down to civilized life was to send ten regiments of soldiers to the plains, with orders to shoot buffaloes until they became too scarce to support the redskins."

As the great herds began to wane, proposals to protect the bison were discussed. In some cases, individual military officers attempted to end the mass slaughter of these buffalo. William F. "Buffalo Bill" Cody, among others, spoke in favor of protecting the bison because he saw that the pressure on the species was too great. Yet these proposals were discouraged since it was recognized that the Plains Indians, some of the tribes often at war with the United States, depended on bison for their way of life. [...] In 1874, President Ulysses S. Grant "pocket vetoed" a Federal bill to protect the dwindling bison herds, and in 1875 General Philip Sheridan pleaded to a joint session of Congress to slaughter the herds, to deprive the Indians of their source of food.

In short, one reason for the wholesale slaughter of Bison was to starve the native tribes into submission and steal the lands they lived on.

[Seabass]

What would you have Seabass do? Ignore racism in the US and focus on power imbalances generally?

Perhaps. But I doubt that's the right answer. I think it is the right focus to counter Tucker's bullshit though, and certainly better than what Seabass offered.

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Man, if white America is this afraid of black people, wait until they find out about white people. Sheeeit.

Oh come on man, really?

That was mainly a joke, but the point was that it's absurd for white America to be so fearful of black people given the great violence that has been done by white America over the years.

And remember that this was a response to the insane comment by the racist far-right Michael Savage where he said that CRT was the road to deathcamps for white people. You seem to think I'm just randomly attacking white people for no reason.

Oh, I'm definitely being somewhat unfair.

The point was only that here again we have something which isn't "white".

How have so many--not you--come to the "realization" that there exists a fundamental difference between white Europeans and others, and could these examples contribute?

It defeats your purpose, maybe...

My only purpose in my responses to racist remarks by the racist Tucker Carlson and the racist Michael Savage is to point out that white people who think black people are more violent than white people are wrong.

[Sean Hayden]

Well, the way you've chosen to do it could contribute to the equally stupid idea that white Europeans are more violent. --it's hardly a new idea

Ironically it plays into Tucker's fears about teaching CRT.

[Hermit]

Why the obscene wealth inequality? Racism. Why the gun zealotry? Racism. Why so little spending on the public weal? Racism. Why no UHC? Racism.

Wealth inequality is more obscene in the Netherlands and Sweden. Margaret Thatcher has basically axed all spending on the public weal and there was no UHC in Australia until 1972. While I don't claim that racism is nonexistent in those countries I do assert that racism is not a factor in those failings. Racism does not cause them. They do acerbate them.

[Hermit]

Well, the way you've chosen to do it could contribute to the equally stupid idea that white Europeans are more violent.

If I missed Seabass doing so, please quote him and provide links.

[Sean Hayden]

I gave my explanation along with the relevant posts.

[Seabass]

Well, the way you've chosen to do it could contribute to the equally stupid idea that white Europeans are more violent.

I think you're seeing things that aren't there.

[Sean Hayden]

If you think you can use your examples as given and not have a significant number of people intuit a fundamental difference between white Europeans and others, you're mistaken.

[Hermit]

I gave my explanation along with the relevant posts.

You provided your interpretation of what Seabass' words meant. Missing: Seabass saying that white Europeans are more violent. All I could find is him saying that racism is a huge problem in the US and in the US white people are the racists.

I'll wait for you to quote the bits I'm missing.

[Sean Hayden]

I’m happy with what I’ve provided.

[Hermit]

I’m happy with what I’ve provided.

You provided intuition. That is no better than what Tucker Carlson intuits from critical race theory, Forty Two from the Communist Manifesto and Fred Phelps from the Bible.

[Sean Hayden]

My intuition regarding what people may take away from a message is pretty good.

What part do you have trouble believing?

[Hermit]

My intuition regarding what people may take away from a message is pretty good.

What part do you have trouble believing?

I just gave you three examples of intuition gone wrong. It should not be difficult to work out that I have trouble believing that Seabass meant what you intuit.

[Sean Hayden]

...hmmm

What part of my claim about how Seabass's approach will be understood--which I've apparently only intuited--do you have trouble believing?

Is it that people will come to see whites of the time as fundamentally different?

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Keep in mind we are discussing in part the teaching of CRT.