Critical Race Theory

[Seabass]

Well, technically, shouldn't you point out instead the historical power imbalance? Regarding skin color and harm the shit is universal e.g. natives selling their peers into slavery.

Of course if you focus on power the shitheel has a point, overegged to hell of course, absurd even.

I don't understand.

[Brian Peacock]

I still don't have the faintest idea what the CTR is. That shit is getting more and more complicated and nutty as people try to explain it. Fuck, it sounds like something explained by Trump.

NineBerry explained it as an academic perspective on race quite well. The American Bar article I posted explained it's grounding relating to a certain philosophy of law.

The problem for the wider public discussion now is that the Right have latched onto it as a pejorative fear-term and are making fast-and-loose strawman definitions on the hoof to drive a wedge between between communities and to make a wider public conversation about the role of race in society emotive, threatening, and chaotic. In my view this shows that the Right feel unsettled by some of the ideas in CRT, probably in part due to the scale of the BLM protests last year. That they're now having a pop at it as the latest bogeyman means that BLM and at least some element of CRT are actually starting to hit home.

The first article I posted tells you everything you need to know about the Right's, erm, concerns, but underneath all the bluster the basic question remains: do we want to see less racism in society, or are we happy with a certain level of racism as long as we're standing on top of the dog pile? The Right have plumped for the 2nd option and are justifying it by saying that the people who have chosen the first are the real racists - because not wanting people to be racist is racist now, or something.

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[pErvinalia]

e.g. how about a sample problematic lesson plan.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/292725438/lesson-plan-1-pdf

Of course, one's view of the material might depend on what one considers 'problematic'.

Do you know the grade level for that lesson plan?

Stalingrade.

[Scot Dutchy]

We should invite superuniverse into this thread. After all, CRT is based on Critical Theory of which Herbert Marcuse is one of the founders.

Well that explains everything anything from Marcuse is a waste of time just like his follower.

[Sean Hayden]

Well, technically, shouldn't you point out instead the historical power imbalance? Regarding skin color and harm the shit is universal e.g. natives selling their peers into slavery.

Of course if you focus on power the shitheel has a point, overegged to hell of course, absurd even.

I don't understand.

You focus on race too much. The most important bit isn't the race but the power imbalance. This is made clear by pointing to similar behaviors observed across races e.g. natives selling their peers into slavery. So, why didn't any particular natives dominate to the extent white Europeans did? Is it because white Europeans are particularly nasty when compared to natives?

[Joe]

There's been a lot of thought given to that from Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel to Niall Ferguson's "six killer apps" in his book Civilization: The West and the Rest.

It's interesting stuff.

[Sean Hayden]

So Seabass, rather than saying to Tucker "look at what whites did!", it may be better to point out that he'd worry less if he actually believed in democracy and ensuring abundant participation from all types.

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Guns, Germs, and Steel --caused a bit of trouble didn't it Joe? I'll have to check out Civilization: The West and the Rest.

[Woodbutcher]

If it is a theory then it should be written down as one. I'm not looking for explanations as to what it means, I would like to know what it states as a theory.

[Joe]

So Seabass, rather than saying to Tucker "look at what whites did!", it may be better to point out that he'd worry less if he actually believed in democracy and ensuring abundant participation from all types.

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Guns, Germs, and Steel --caused a bit of trouble didn't it Joe? I'll have to check out Civilization: The West and the Rest.

I believe both did.

[rainbow]

So, why didn't any particular natives dominate to the extent white Europeans did? Is it because white Europeans are particularly nasty when compared to natives?

Guns.

[Seabass]

Well, technically, shouldn't you point out instead the historical power imbalance? Regarding skin color and harm the shit is universal e.g. natives selling their peers into slavery.

Of course if you focus on power the shitheel has a point, overegged to hell of course, absurd even.

I don't understand.

You focus on race too much.

No I don't, I focus on racism.

The most important bit isn't the race but the power imbalance. This is made clear by pointing to similar behaviors observed across races e.g. natives selling their peers into slavery.

The power and wealth imbalance in the US exists to the degree that it does because of racism. The powerful always have justifications for their power over the powerless. The US has never been a monarchy, so white supremacy has always been our main driver of inequality.

So, why didn't any particular natives dominate to the extent white Europeans did? Is it because white Europeans are particularly nasty when compared to natives?

Guns, smallpox, measles, flu...

[Seabass]

So Seabass, rather than saying to Tucker "look at what whites did!", it may be better to point out that he'd worry less if he actually believed in democracy and ensuring abundant participation from all types.

Democracy? Tucker doesn't want democracy. He wants a white ethno-state.

Tucker is a white supremacist who thinks black people are inherently more violent, hence his Rwanda statement. I think it would be useful if guests on his show would remind his audience that the "race" he identifies with and believes is superior does not actually have a history of being more peaceful than the darker "races" he despises.

[Brian Peacock]

I think this argument is showing how CRT is being used as a term by which to define and propagate racialised conflicts between community interests in the service of Power. We should talk about what CRT is/isn't whenever it's brought to a discussion rather than what the Right say it is or what they would like to us to talk about.

[Sean Hayden]

No I don't, I focus on racism.

I disagree. You definitely focus on the problem with whites.

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it wasn't the people with dark skin doing the genociding and enslaving.

Wrong. Natives did both as well. A significant --perhaps most-- significant difference wasn't that one did what the other wouldn't, but that one could take it further and dominate completely because of an extreme imbalance of power.

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Perhaps this isn't a point you're interested in. But failing to note the difference is one of the reasons I'd be concerned about letting just any old teacher give this theory a go in their classroom.

[Seabass]

No I don't, I focus on racism.

I disagree. You definitely focus on the problem with whites.

I focus on white supremacy. I live in the US. What else do you expect? Is the institutionalized, system, endemic, structural racism in this country coming from black people?

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it wasn't the people with dark skin doing the genociding and enslaving.

Wrong. Natives did both as well. A significant --perhaps most-- significant difference wasn't that one did what the other wouldn't, but that one could take it further and dominate completely because of an extreme imbalance of power.

Quote mine. I wasn't talking about the whole continent; I was talking specifically about racial violence in US history vis a vis Rwanda, in response to Tucker's remark about the US becoming like Rwanda if we let in more non-whites.

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Perhaps this isn't a point you're interested in. But failing to note the difference is one of the reasons I'd be concerned about letting just any old teacher give this theory a go in their classroom.