The Coronavirus Thread

[Cunt]

Women Arrested for Filming Empty Hospital

[pErvinalia]

It isn't diminishing anything to say that if all nurses and doctors quit, lots of people would die. If truckers quit, a lot more would. A LOT more.

It's about scale, and nurses (while tictok dancing their way to a lucrative onlyfans career) are gaining much more sympathy than the real essential workers.

Yeah, no diminishing there at all..

[pErvinalia]

The kool-aid is being really drunk in large quantities. Keep sucking the tit and swallow all the propaganda.
Nobody is bothering to check the figures. Yeah they must be right. Why not answer the questions?

How is the data collected?
Is it collected in the same in every country?
What is the validity of the data?
What are the agreed definitions of what a Covid case and death is?
How long after a positive test is it still considered a Covid death and is the same in every country?
Is the data from Africa, India and Asia accepted as real data and how it collected when most of those countries dont even have a health care service?

Just a few to start of with. I will give you a clue; there are no answers which is why the data is worthless and not open to comparison

The arguments comparing data from countries such as the Netherlands and Australia have nothing to do with the validity of covid data from Africa, India and Asia. They are probably more inaccurate than data from western countries, not because of deliberate misinformation, but because of a lack of suitable government infrastructure.

And all data has a range of error and uncertainty, but valid statistical comparisons can still be made making allowances for such uncertainty. If accepted, your absolutism about data (in the sense of complete and utter distrust) means that no arguments, in in any direction at all, could be made, so discussion is pointless...

Keep in mind that Scot is more than happy to accept the data when it shows the US and UK in a bad light. He's full of shit.

[Cunt]

Yeah, no diminishing there at all..

Well, not ME diminishing.

Reality says which of those is more important, and when.

We regularly diminish the efforts of the foundation workers of our society. O&M is more important than many 'working' occupying buildings where the O&M is going on.

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, no diminishing there at all..

Well, not ME diminishing.

No, literally YOU diminishing.

We regularly diminish the efforts of the foundation workers of our society. O&M is more important than many 'working' occupying buildings where the O&M is going on.

I have no idea what this means. Remember, we don't have a front row into your brain.

[Cunt]

The staff doing the 'Operation and Maintenance' work for a building, is often more important than the stuff occupying the offices.

The essential work, as opposed to the kind one can 'phone in' or 'work from home'.

[Hermit]

Women Arrested for Filming Empty Hospital

Fixed the link for you.

That would be Debbie Hicks, one of the UK's more militant anti-lockdown activists. She was arrested for filming patients without their consent. Not having seen the video she uploaded, I don't know if she left that footage out.

Fancy showing rooms of a hospital that cannot be used to treat Coronavirus patients. It is not proof that the hospitals are not overwhelmed with numbers of such patients greater than they are equipped by way of instruments and staff to deal with.

As for truck drivers, yes, they are essential to keep societies functioning. Pretty much everything you buy in any shop is transported by truck somewhere along the way. Having driven trucks for most of my life, both interstate (briefly) and local "last mile", I know what the job entails. Long hours, pressure to get the job done on time, heavy lifting, been there, done that. I have also lived with a nurse and been in hospitals as a patient and visiting patients. I know which job is harder. It's not trucking.

My second truck as an owner-driver - subcontracting for Riteway Express. The pic is shitty because I never intentionally photographed any of the four trucks I owned. This one is cropped from the bottom of a time exposure I did in order to catch lightning during a thunderstorm around ten o clock at night.



I worked for the company for 13 years. It allotted me a run area in Sydney and left the organisation of how to deliver whatever needed to be delivered within it to me. The general manager told me that he doesn't care how I go about it as long as the customer service department does not get any complaints from the people I deliver to and pick up from. I called in to half a dozen shopping centres, dozens of factories and warehouses and an unknown number of private residences. Pay was a flat hourly rate at 11 hours a day 5 days a week. Weekend work was extra. Some weeks it took me 38 hours to get the work done, in others 65 or more. It averaged out at about 46, so I was doing alright. Needless to say, some days were a doddle, others extremely tough. For as long as I was left to my own devices loved my job.

[Brian Peacock]

The kool-aid is being really drunk in large quantities. Keep sucking the tit and swallow all the propaganda.
Nobody is bothering to check the figures. Yeah they must be right. Why not answer the questions?

How is the data collected?
Is it collected in the same in every country?
What is the validity of the data?
What are the agreed definitions of what a Covid case and death is?
How long after a positive test is it still considered a Covid death and is the same in every country?
Is the data from Africa, India and Asia accepted as real data and how it collected when most of those countries dont even have a health care service?

Just a few to start of with. I will give you a clue; there are no answers which is why the data is worthless and not open to comparison

There's broad agreement among researchers, medical professionals, and public health officials about the kinds of data and related information they need to plan, contain, and treat something like Covid-19 effectively.

Data on the contagiousness of the virus and its variant strains, the methods of transmission, expression of the disease across different demographics, the impact of co-morbidities, the spread and prevalence, effective prophylaxis and treatments, etc etc is being collected, collated, studied and shared internationally by the WHO, through reciprocal region-region or country-country agreements, through official academic and research networks down to informal WhatsApp groups of Intensive Care specialists pooling their information and experiences in how they're treating the disease.

The idea that every country is so different that everything has to be done differently is silly, and would effectively mean that epidemiologists, physicians and nurses, health service administrators, procurement, supply and logistics services, care home managers, etc, would be starting from a place of total ignorance and dealing with Covid-19 with a blank slate. But you know that epidemiology and treating coronaviruses didn't suddenly spring into existence in Wuhan at the end of 2019 don't you? As we've seen with the drive for effective vaccinations, dealing with Covid-19 is, by necessity, an international effort.

The idea that somewhere like, for example, the Netherlands presents such a distinctive and unique set of challenges that nothing can be leaned from (or applied to) any other region or setting seems like a cosy fiction to me, one that comforts those who are reluctant to look at how other people are handling the pandemic perhaps for fear of what they might find.

I mean, that's pretty close to where the UK is at the moment, where the Tory government have been constantly gaslighting the scientific community, healthcare professionals, and the public at large with stories about what a terrific job they're doing, how the UK is doing no worse, and in fact a lot lot better, than anyone else, about how the British response is a special kind of response that accounts for our unique individuality and national character (lots of Dunkirk and Blitz spirit), and that we must simply have faith in our government because nothing of any importance can be learned from the likes of South Australia, Japan, or the USA and how they are or aren't dealing with it.

So yes, there is a massive political dimension to how Covid-19 is being dealt with around the world. However, the idea not just that there's no reliable information on which to base an effective scientific, medical, or public health response, but that researchers, medics, and health officials don't even know what kind of data they need and/or do not understand the data they actually have, is just plain bonkers imo. Where countries are failing to get on top of the pandemic it's not through lack of information or because they don't know or cannot understand how serious it is.

[Brian Peacock]

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As for truck drivers, yes, they are essential to keep societies functioning. Pretty much everything you buy in any shop is transported by truck somewhere along the way. Having driven trucks for most of my life, both interstate (briefly) and local "last mile", I know what the job entails. Long hours, pressure to get the job done on time, heavy lifting, been there, done that. I have also lived with a nurse and been in hospitals as a patient and visiting patients. I know which job is harder. It's not trucking.
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QFT.

[JimC]

I have no idea what this means. Remember, we don't have a front row into your brain.

I'm imagining it would be something like watching the play Waiting for Godot, but with less action...

[Seabass]

I noticed that Milo was talking shit about nurses a couple days ago. Are nurses the alt-right's next hate object? Fucking idiots.

[Brian Peacock]

It's the usual bollocks about "men's work" being more important or demanding than "women's work".

[JimC]

He can truck off, as far as I'm concerned...

[Cunt]

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As for truck drivers, yes, they are essential to keep societies functioning. Pretty much everything you buy in any shop is transported by truck somewhere along the way. Having driven trucks for most of my life, both interstate (briefly) and local "last mile", I know what the job entails. Long hours, pressure to get the job done on time, heavy lifting, been there, done that. I have also lived with a nurse and been in hospitals as a patient and visiting patients. I know which job is harder. It's not trucking.
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QFT.

I know which job is more important. It's not intuitive.

Milo does a comedy bit where he USES the targets to do his heavy lifting for him. If nurses are smart, they won't play. He isn't funny at ALL if there isn't some out-of-scale reaction.

But that is the right focus, while people are being arrested for filming quiet hospitals. Follow up by banning her from being on NHS property without official business, and it looks VERY honest.

If you squint real careful, and ignore all the tictok choreographed dance presentations.

[Hermit]

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As for truck drivers, yes, they are essential to keep societies functioning. Pretty much everything you buy in any shop is transported by truck somewhere along the way. Having driven trucks for most of my life, both interstate (briefly) and local "last mile", I know what the job entails. Long hours, pressure to get the job done on time, heavy lifting, been there, done that. I have also lived with a nurse and been in hospitals as a patient and visiting patients. I know which job is harder. It's not trucking.
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QFT.

I know which job is more important.

Your insistence on ranking jobs by importance is rather a gratuitous attempt to belittle the nursing profession. Gratuitous because nobody had a go at the trucking industry or the people who work in it. It also reminds me of telephone sanitisers who definitely outrank truck drivers in importance.

The Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B was a way of removing the basically useless citizens from the planet of Golgafrincham. A variety of stories were formed about the doom of the planet, such as blowing up, crashing into the sun or being eaten by a mutant star goat. The ship was filled with all the middlemen of Golgafrincham, such as the telephone sanitisers, account executives, hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives, and management consultants.

Ark Fleet ships A and C were supposed to carry the people who ruled, thought, or actually did useful work.

The ship was programmed to crash onto its designated planet, Earth. The captain remembers that he was told a good reason for this, but had forgotten it, although the reason was later revealed to be because the Ark Ship B Golgafrinchans were a 'bunch of useless idiots'.

A notation in the Guide about Golgafrincham after the departure of the B Ark states that the entire remaining population subsequently died from a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone.