The Coronavirus Thread

[Scot Dutchy]

Bad news for Scotty: virus expert has been collecting data half a year and masks work:

Signs of the virus were in such tiny particles, he worried it that nothing less than the most protective masks could stop it.

Soon, though, studies showed that even simple masks were able to reduce the amount of virus that gets out into the air, cutting the risk of transmission. Suddenly mask-wearing became an ordinary—if politically contentious--part of everyday life.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... rshed-year

How have they been shown? Rates are still rocketing thanks to masks. The trouble with these sort of reports is the lack of comparison. We all can make claims but nothing has been supported. Lab tests dont prove anything as real life is not a lab. Look at the simple rules of mask wearing and who follows them? Also masks are no substitute for social distancing. There are still plenty of experts who disagree with mask wearing. Everyone agrees with social distancing and hand washing. Masks are a just in case measure but it has completely back fired as the present rates of infection show. Of course masks are political; they have no other reason.

[Brian Peacock]

... Rates are still rocketing thanks to masks...

I wonder how you will demonstrate that the use of masks leads to 'rocketing' infection rates?

[Cunt]

I still believe Dr Fartpants et al over you.

You became a lot less believable when I started reminding myself of your bias.

Now, if you really think that s scientist earning a wage for their efforts is a bad thing, something that corrupts both them individually and scientific endeavour as a whole by forcing researchers to unduly prioritise pleasing their paymasters, then what's your alternative?

Nah, it's just me pointing out how stupid it is to 'trust science', when scientists are every bit as open to corruption as politics, educators or bureaucrats.

Money can make any of those groups less 'noble', but for some reason, science is presented as if it is not subject to such.

And a great letter it is too. It was signed by epidemiology experts such as "Mr Banana Rama", "Dr Johnny Bananas", "Dr Johnny Fartpants", "Dr Person Fakename", "Harold Shipman", "Professor Notaf Uckingclue", and "Prof Cominic Dummings" and a great number of concerned citizens.

You are quite convincing, but I think back to what you've said, and how your political beliefs might affect your words, and well, I gotta say I still believe Dr Fartpants et al over you. You might be actually de-convincing of the position you argue for.

But Happy Chrismas. I hope you have a great one.

What exactly did the Great Barrington Declaration convince you of/about?

It convinced me that scientists are treated differently based on their politics. Especially true of those who think they are unbiased.

Another thing is that I've thought from the beginning, that there is NO way (short of a vaccine) to stop a virus's spread. I lived through the AIDS crisis, and it was devastating, despite a simple fix - a barrier worn when undergoing risky behavior.

When people say 'slow the spread', it sounds like a worthy effort. When they say 'stop the spread', it starts sounding a bit too hopeful.

Nice enough, but not exactly realistic, if you know what I mean.

We have discussed this thing in detail on here. We have laughed about the video of the signing of the declaration by three idiots celebrating a signing of a document and happily smiling and cheering each other sipping champagne while fake applause and fake camera clicking is played in the background. While people are suffering from both the disease as well as the social upheavals caused by it and the necessary measures to fight it.

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This is how you recognize scientists that don't do it for the money.... They celebrate with champagne in a building paid for by wealthy industrialists.

Sounds like a bunch of rich assholes flying jets to Davos, to pronounce about the evils of using oil.

Maybe they should have made a charming vulnerable child their spokesperson...

[Tero]

You are just like Trump, Cunt. This thread is not anout you.

[Cunt]

You are just like Trump, Cunt. This thread is not anout you.

With Trump not in charge anymore, I wonder what you will post about. Is there ANYONE you find as exciting?

[Scot Dutchy]

... Rates are still rocketing thanks to masks...

I wonder how you will dmonstrate that the use of masks leads to 'rocketing' infection rates?

Just look at the figures. All countries with strict lockdowns and masks are soaring including this country because they did not have the nerve to go down the road they were going. Now we are left with the chaos. Politicians are happy. Such control they have never had.

[Brian Peacock]

... Rates are still rocketing thanks to masks...

I wonder how you will dmonstrate that the use of masks leads to 'rocketing' infection rates?

Just look at the figures...

Whch figures in particular?

... All countries with strict lockdowns and masks are soaring including this country because they did not have the nerve to go down the road they were going. Now we are left with the chaos. Politicians are happy. Such control they have never had.

If masks and lockdowns etc unduly lead to 'rocketing' infections how do the countries which took these kinds of measures compare to those that didn't/haven't?

[Scot Dutchy]

Well that is exactly the problem. You cant find a comparison. There no similar country who did not eventually employ the lockdown and masks measures. What has never been recorded is the actual use and measurements of the masks used. Many are reusing disposable masks time and time again. Also social distancing is not being maintained due to masks.

[Cunt]

Which opinions are in opposition to authoritarian dictates? I mean, does science just always align perfectly with authoritarian politicians? Or are some of them wrong?

[Cunt]

I am certain most of you will think he is a liar (because he IS 'right-wing') but if you could skip that, and tell me where his lie is, it might help me make sense of it.

https://www.rebelnews.com/weekly_death_ ... he_country

[JimC]

Cunt wrote:

Another thing is that I've thought from the beginning, that there is NO way (short of a vaccine) to stop a virus's spread. I lived through the AIDS crisis, and it was devastating, despite a simple fix - a barrier worn when undergoing risky behavior.

When people say 'slow the spread', it sounds like a worthy effort. When they say 'stop the spread', it starts sounding a bit too hopeful.

The facts disagree with you. After a large second spike of cases (peaking at 700 new cases per day) in our state, Victoria, draconian lock-down measures (including mandatory mask wearing, a 5 km movement limit and a curfew) were taking by a premier who did not flinch from unpopular decisions. They worked - we've now had 57 straight days in a row of no new cases...

[Cunt]

Cunt wrote:

Another thing is that I've thought from the beginning, that there is NO way (short of a vaccine) to stop a virus's spread. I lived through the AIDS crisis, and it was devastating, despite a simple fix - a barrier worn when undergoing risky behavior.

When people say 'slow the spread', it sounds like a worthy effort. When they say 'stop the spread', it starts sounding a bit too hopeful.

The facts disagree with you. After a large second spike of cases (peaking at 700 new cases per day) in our state, Victoria, draconian lock-down measures (including mandatory mask wearing, a 5 km movement limit and a curfew) were taking by a premier who did not flinch from unpopular decisions. They worked - we've now had 57 straight days in a row of no new cases...

So it's stopped?

Or it's slowed?

To me, it looks like they have slowed the spread into their community. Good on em, but it hasn't stopped it. It's like my region being closed enough to be in control.

Most of the world has already been infected, and without an effective vaccine, I doubt any town, even one as compliant as Victoria, can keep it out.

Total lockdown can only work as long as humans comply. From the protests and such, I doubt that 'high-compliance-population' can maintain this level of effort.

JimC do you remember how homosexual activities were villainized during the AIDS crisis? Even with shame, instruction and clear, effective barrier methods, people didn't comply.

Filthy ground-apes, I think someone called us. They weren't wrong.

[Cunt]

I am certain most of you will think he is a liar (because he IS 'right-wing') but if you could skip that, and tell me where his lie is, it might help me make sense of it.

https://www.rebelnews.com/weekly_death_ ... he_country

For me, the biggest one I see is that death rate ignores other damage (serious damage) but other than that, it's kind of not all that bullshitt-y.

At least as news reports go.

[Brian Peacock]

Well that is exactly the problem. You cant find a comparison. There no similar country who did not eventually employ the lockdown and masks measures. What has never been recorded is the actual use and measurements of the masks used. Many are reusing disposable masks time and time again. Also social distancing is not being maintained due to masks.

But you said I only had to look at the figures. So which figures do I need to look at and how do they demonstrate that masks and lockdowns etc lead to 'rocketing' infection rates?

[pErvinalia]

Now, if you really think that s scientist earning a wage for their efforts is a bad thing, something that corrupts both them individually and scientific endeavour as a whole by forcing researchers to unduly prioritise pleasing their paymasters, then what's your alternative?

Youtube.