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Re: US Election 2020

Post by rainbow » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:41 am

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Does lying under oath carry any penalties for 'friends of the left'?

Asking for a friend...
Yes.
Is the Dominion company a 'friend of the left'?
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:21 am

rainbow wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:37 am
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Do lawmakers get your ire? Or just your neighbours?
No and no.

...so to you. Do you think it is good form to knowingly spread diseases?
I think the habit of blaming humans for the spread of disease is shit. I didn't like it being done to people over AIDS in the 80s and 90s. I don't like it better now.

But if you want to blame people, the largest responsibility would fall on the heads of the first ones to use censorship to disastrous effect.

But I don't think you meant the Chinese government.

Maybe you meant Cuomo stuffing it into nursing homes...

Or maybe you will scramble desperately to blame whoever suits your 2019 political preferences.

I probably would...

Are you really good with this sudden giant smashing of small businesses, while amazon, and the other tech giants show record gains? That doesn't get you wondering?
Is the Dominion company a 'friend of the left'?
Nope.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:03 am

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I think the habit of blaming humans for the spread of disease is shit. I didn't like it being done to people over AIDS in the 80s and 90s. I don't like it better now.
So, you must think that human behaviour has no effect on the rapidly of diseases spreading between humans...

Now, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "blame". In at least some uses, it simply means ascribing causal agency, on rational grounds. I would agree that it can become problematic if the use of "blame" shades into vilification...
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:08 am

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Are you really good with this sudden giant smashing of small businesses, while amazon, and the other tech giants show record gains? That doesn't get you wondering?
It gets you wondering about conspiracy theories obviously.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Hermit » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:29 am

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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Owners of SolarWinds Have Links to Obama, the Clintons, China, Hong Kong and the US Election Process
Um, yeah. So, what exactly are those links?

Also, among the more than half a million customers of SolarWinds are 425 of the U.S. Fortune 500, all five branches of the U.S. Military, the State Department, NASA, the National Security Agency, the Department of Justice, and the Office of the President of the United States.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Hermit » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 am

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I think the habit of blaming humans for the spread of disease is shit.
Not really. Had Trump not ignored the pandemic playbook, a 69-page blueprint laying out the decisions to be made and agencies to be mobilized in a health disaster, which Obama handed down to him, a lot of infections would never have occurred in the first place, and a great number of lives could have been saved. Trump chose instead to announce "There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus." Two weeks later he opined "It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear." If blame is to be laid on anyone, the failure to minimise the tragedy taking place in the US will have to be placed squarely at the feet of Trump. The playbook made it crystal clear that when it comes to epidemics and pandemics such cavalier approach is not an option.

As if that were not enough, Trump decided to end a $200m early warning program designed to alert it to potential pandemics.
The project, called Predict, had been run by the US Agency for International Development since 2009. It had identified more than 160 different coronaviruses that had the potential to develop into pandemics, including a virus that is considered the closest known relative to Covid-19.

A decision to wind down the program was made, however, in September, just three months before the first reports of people becoming infected with Covid-19 in Wuhan, China. The end of the program saw the departure of dozens of scientists and analysts working to identify potential pandemics in countries around the world, including China.

“It was a genius, visionary program that USAid took a big risk to fund and it’s a crying shame it was canceled,” said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit specialist in tackling wildlife-borne disease that was one of the major partners in the program.

Daszak said he did not know why the initiative was scrapped or if the White House played any direct role in its ending. EcoHealth Alliance has been given a temporary extension to work on the program but the role will finally come to a close in September.

The news about Predict’s demise was first reported in the Los Angeles Times.

Predict’s work focused on the dangers of viruses spreading from wildlife to humans and causing possible pandemics like the Covid-19 outbreak that has resulted in much of the world grinding to a halt. It is suspected that Covid-19 made the leap to humans from a bat sold at a Wuhan market.

Daszak said there are an estimated 1.7m mystery viruses in wildlife that may have the potential to transfer to humans and cause another pandemic, making the early detection of these diseases imperative for public health and economic reasons.
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But yeah, let's not blame anyone for not minimising the effect of the Corona pandemic. If we insisted on doing so we might be forced to apportion blame on someone we'd rather not.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by rainbow » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:10 am

Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:21 am
rainbow wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:37 am
Cunt wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:17 pm

Do lawmakers get your ire? Or just your neighbours?
No and no.

...so to you. Do you think it is good form to knowingly spread diseases?
I think the habit of blaming humans for the spread of disease is shit. I didn't like it being done to people over AIDS in the 80s and 90s. I don't like it better now.
Good. How about answering the question.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:30 pm

Congress investigates!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/16/poli ... index.html

The investigation into Hunter Biden was full of mistakes and would never hold up in court.

It's almost like the "teach the controversy" to debunk evolution. When you publish a lot of differing opinions you keep the controversy alive. And come up with terms like "irreducible complexity."

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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:54 pm

NY Mag

It didn’t get much attention because it happened the very day the Electoral College formally awarded Joe Biden the presidency, but the Wisconsin Supreme Court only narrowly rejected a bid by the Trump campaign to throw out over 200,000 absentee ballots in the state’s two most Democratic counties. The 4-3 decision by what is generally considered the most polarized and politically driven high court in the country involved one conservative justice (Brian Hagedorn) joining three liberal colleagues in rejecting the Trump petition, mostly because it addressed alleged improper local election practices that were apparent long before balloting occurred. The legal doctrine of “laches” (undue delay in asserting a legal right or privilege) was emphasized in the majority opinion.

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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:46 pm

If the court had rejected the actual ballot, we would have seen the elector system in practice. The state legislature would have had to vote on who got the 10 electors.

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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:50 pm

Hermit wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:29 am
Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:21 am
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Owners of SolarWinds Have Links to Obama, the Clintons, China, Hong Kong and the US Election Process
Um, yeah. So, what exactly are those links?

Also, among the more than half a million customers of SolarWinds are 425 of the U.S. Fortune 500, all five branches of the U.S. Military, the State Department, NASA, the National Security Agency, the Department of Justice, and the Office of the President of the United States.
Everyone has links to solarwinds.

Including those agencies attacked over the last few days.

But as long as one can't blame Trump, it's uninteresting I guess.

Heck, why not just blame Trump for the China virus being spread by CCP disinformation early in the crisis.
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Re: US Election 2020

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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Joe » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:41 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:50 pm
Hermit wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:29 am
Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:21 am
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Owners of SolarWinds Have Links to Obama, the Clintons, China, Hong Kong and the US Election Process
Um, yeah. So, what exactly are those links?

Also, among the more than half a million customers of SolarWinds are 425 of the U.S. Fortune 500, all five branches of the U.S. Military, the State Department, NASA, the National Security Agency, the Department of Justice, and the Office of the President of the United States.
Everyone has links to solarwinds.

Including those agencies attacked over the last few days.

But as long as one can't blame Trump, it's uninteresting I guess.

Heck, why not just blame Trump for the China virus being spread by CCP disinformation early in the crisis.
I have "links" to SolarWinds through my job. Our EHR vendor is working to be sure nobody got access to their systems through the SolarWinds Orion tool. As the list I posted shows, a lot of people use SolarWinds network tools.

So what?
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:05 pm

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/1 ... hq-austin/

Law enforcement seems to be 'looking at' solarwinds too. (the implication isn't backed up much, but the news is slow around the election at the moment)
I do have a bit of a breaking news for you here, Sean. I’m here in Texas. I have a good friend who’s a ranger who passed to me that the FBI, the Texas Rangers and the US Marshals are all at the SolarWinds headquarters in Austin, Texas and they are currently looking very seriously at the systems there
Then there is some sketchy board stuff reported...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... ck-trades/
But the software’s intimate access to companies’ computer systems also made it a prized target for hackers, who, by altering a SolarWinds software update rolled out in March, gained a back door into thousands of sensitive corporate and government networks, including FireEye and the departments of Commerce, Homeland Security, State and Treasury.
Do you think SolarWinds exposed a vulnerability that could reduce the security of Dominion systems? That CEO said (approximately) that the voting systems were not connected to the internet, but they DO connect via 'intranet'. I don't know tech stuff well enough to see if he was misleading with that statement, or lying outright, but an intranet connects via the same wiring as an internet.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Joe » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:20 pm

Again, so what? Was there a point to this beyond law enforcement and the FBI being involved in investigating the SolarWinds breach, which is a felony under federal law and within their jurisdiction?
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