US Election 2020

[laklak]

Yeah, couldn't be that at all. It was fascist racist old white cis male patriarchy, that should be obvious to anyone. In fact, anyone who disagrees should be sent to a reeducation camp.

[Brian Peacock]

Have you had your tablets granddad?

[laklak]

What? Take Big Pharma poison? I don't think so.

Diabetes is fake news.

[Brian Peacock]

Pull your pants up and I'll get your vanilla pudding. You'd like that wouldn't you? Eh? Granddad?

Sandra, he's nodded off on the loo again.

[Tero]

Pence gets to "count" electoral college votes:

What does the vice president have to do with it?

We have to back up to see where he enters this story. The people vote, and the votes in the states determine who the electors from each state are. And as this happened in every single election since 1876, states send one slate of electors to the Electoral College and those electors vote for the candidate they've been sent to support... And the process for counting those votes is one that the vice president oversees.

The Constitution makes him the custodian of the electoral votes, and he opens them and Congress then counts them. And so long as there's one slate from every state, there's no problem, but if he opens them and there's more than one slate from a state, then, all sorts of shenanigans could unfold.

What is the actual vote you are asking those senators to commit to casting?

So again, the scenario we're imagining is Arizona comes up, and there's a Republican slate signed by the governor and the Democratic slate that is in accord with the certification of the secretary of state in Arizona. And Mike Pence says, I believe the Constitution gives the Republican legislature the power to appoint their electors however they want, because I've read the words of the great constitutional scholar, Mark Levin, and that's what he has said. Immediately there's an objection filed to the ruling of the chair and each body that has to decide how it's going to vote on the objection.

https://www.dailyposter.com/p/how-pence ... tors-could

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, couldn't be that at all. It was fascist racist old white cis male patriarchy, that should be obvious to anyone. In fact, anyone who disagrees should be sent to a reeducation camp.

The problem is the hyperfocus on these sins to the point that just about everything is interpreted through them. It's fine I guess if you want to trace their impact through things, but it seems unlikely to lead to an understanding of either how things work now, or how they could be different. But that is exactly what those focused on these sins intend: to explain how the world works.

I just suspect that it leaves you with more potentially harmful unknowns to contend with than if you allowed for more complexity. For example, it's easy to say that because a union wasn't necessary, the compromises made show a clear preference for land and money over people. But any claim that the union was unnecessary must contend with not only what was happening without it, but what may have happened going forward without it. These are the kinds of questions people wrestling with the problem had to think about too.

[laklak]

I really love vanilla pudding. And rice pudding with raisins. Ooo - butterscotch pudding. I love all of them.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Pence gets to "count" electoral college votes:

What does the vice president have to do with it?

We have to back up to see where he enters this story. The people vote, and the votes in the states determine who the electors from each state are. And as this happened in every single election since 1876, states send one slate of electors to the Electoral College and those electors vote for the candidate they've been sent to support... And the process for counting those votes is one that the vice president oversees.

The Constitution makes him the custodian of the electoral votes, and he opens them and Congress then counts them. And so long as there's one slate from every state, there's no problem, but if he opens them and there's more than one slate from a state, then, all sorts of shenanigans could unfold.

What is the actual vote you are asking those senators to commit to casting?

So again, the scenario we're imagining is Arizona comes up, and there's a Republican slate signed by the governor and the Democratic slate that is in accord with the certification of the secretary of state in Arizona. And Mike Pence says, I believe the Constitution gives the Republican legislature the power to appoint their electors however they want, because I've read the words of the great constitutional scholar, Mark Levin, and that's what he has said. Immediately there's an objection filed to the ruling of the chair and each body that has to decide how it's going to vote on the objection.

https://www.dailyposter.com/p/how-pence ... tors-could

The Congress isn't completely powerless, and the laws have some safeguards. There's a decent break-down of some of the various issues and pertinent statutes by the Republican lawyer T. Greg Doucette on twitter. He's got a few different threads, but I'll just note a couple in particular:

Could this happen?

"In this long-shot scenario, Trump and his team could try to block secretaries of state in contested states from certifying results.That could allow legislatures in those states to try to appoint new electors who favor Trump.."

Yes. But since those legislature-chosen elector slates would have been appointed late – violating 3 USC §1 – they would require the approval of both a majority of the House and a majority of the Senate to count under 3 USC §15

- T. Greg Doucette Nov 11, 2020

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Is Dan Abrams wrong for saying Trump could steal the election? He's a lawyer too.

He's wrong

Like all the other commentators, he's arguing it's possible to "steal" the election via the Electoral College

That can only ever happen if a majority of the (Democrat-run) House allows it.

So, play it out for us. Let’s say Michigan sends GOP electors. What happens next?

When they get to Michigan in the counting, 1 Representative and 1 Senator jointly file a written objection

The joint session breaks to consider the objection

House refers it to a committee that never meets

Speaker becomes Acting President on 1/20

- T. Greg Doucette Nov 13, 2020

[Sean Hayden]

[Sean Hayden]

[Brian Peacock]

[Tero]

Sarah Cooper does lawyering
https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1328460387424104453

[L'Emmerdeur]

Pushing 79 million NPCs who were suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Sheeple!

[Sean Hayden]

--that attitude right there is why Trump keeps winning!

[Tero]

Deep state voting machines are rigged!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics ... index.html