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Over 70,000,000 people. But they're just stupid asshole racist sexist fascists. They're not even really human, you know? Assholes, they deserve whatever happens to them! All right thinking people should shun them! Dox them! Call them out for their UNFORGIVABLE political sins!
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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laklak wrote:Over 70,000,000 people. But they're just stupid asshole racist sexist fascists.


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I knew I'd get an AMEN from somebody!
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Plenty of them are, but I'd say more of them are otherwise mostly decent people. They're willing dupes who've been indoctrinated for decades into a polarized ideology by right wing talk radio, Fox News, and online disinformation sites like Breitbart.
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Make that two. 
Granted, the Dems are a thoroughly uninspiring bunch. Voters have not noticed a significant change in the rate their material conditions have deteriorated whenever the Dems are in government. Not even during Obama's presidency.

So, along comes Trump, who promises to drain the swamp, bring jobs back home, keep the Mexicans out and make America great again. The signs that he would not succeed were there, but millions of voters got sucked in by the promises. Hope triumphed over realism, but I did understand.
The situation is different now. Trump fulfilled all the worst expectations during the entire period of his presidency. He turned out to be a narcissistic, bullying, sexist, racist, nepotistic and incompetent populist, who actively encouraged all the right wing elements in the country. The wall did not get built. Jobs did not come home. While the unemployment rate fell until the Rona struck, it fell at a slower rate than under Obama's presidency in the previous eight years. Far from draining the swamp, Trump filled it with his own corrupt and unprincipled cronies.

Worse than that, under his tutelage Republicans everywhere set about sabotaging what passes as the democratic process in the USA with strategic culling of voters' lists, and relocation and closures of polling stations, the gutting of the US Postal Service's mail sorting equipment. And yet, the drop in support for him amounts to 0.54 percentage point at this stage of the election count.
No, the sorry state of the Dems as an alternative is not remarkable. It's a given. They were solidly neoliberal at least since Bill Clinton's time in office. You can't expect much social change when dozens of billionaires have bought them. They bought Hillary in 2016, and she reciprocated by telling them that she'd leave the banks to regulate the financial sector all on their own. The coming Biden administration will be no different.

What is remarkable, is the fact that so many Trump supporters were not put off by his despotic tendencies. This is particularly galling by the firearm enthusiasts. I mean, isn't the uninfringed right to bear arms supposed to prevent that? Yet here they are.
TL;DR: While I could understand why so many voters chose Trump in 2016, any sympathy I may have had for them has completely dissolved now. Based on his record as president there is no excuse to vote for him in 2020. In 2016 they were fed up, gullible and deluded. In 2020 they went to the polls knowing they'd get the same as in the previous four years, only more so. And yet they voted for Trump again. Stupid asshole who are OK with racism, sexism and fascism. The pox with the lot of them and all other voters who did not tick the box alongside Biden's name.

Granted, the Dems are a thoroughly uninspiring bunch. Voters have not noticed a significant change in the rate their material conditions have deteriorated whenever the Dems are in government. Not even during Obama's presidency.

So, along comes Trump, who promises to drain the swamp, bring jobs back home, keep the Mexicans out and make America great again. The signs that he would not succeed were there, but millions of voters got sucked in by the promises. Hope triumphed over realism, but I did understand.
The situation is different now. Trump fulfilled all the worst expectations during the entire period of his presidency. He turned out to be a narcissistic, bullying, sexist, racist, nepotistic and incompetent populist, who actively encouraged all the right wing elements in the country. The wall did not get built. Jobs did not come home. While the unemployment rate fell until the Rona struck, it fell at a slower rate than under Obama's presidency in the previous eight years. Far from draining the swamp, Trump filled it with his own corrupt and unprincipled cronies.

Worse than that, under his tutelage Republicans everywhere set about sabotaging what passes as the democratic process in the USA with strategic culling of voters' lists, and relocation and closures of polling stations, the gutting of the US Postal Service's mail sorting equipment. And yet, the drop in support for him amounts to 0.54 percentage point at this stage of the election count.
No, the sorry state of the Dems as an alternative is not remarkable. It's a given. They were solidly neoliberal at least since Bill Clinton's time in office. You can't expect much social change when dozens of billionaires have bought them. They bought Hillary in 2016, and she reciprocated by telling them that she'd leave the banks to regulate the financial sector all on their own. The coming Biden administration will be no different.

What is remarkable, is the fact that so many Trump supporters were not put off by his despotic tendencies. This is particularly galling by the firearm enthusiasts. I mean, isn't the uninfringed right to bear arms supposed to prevent that? Yet here they are.
TL;DR: While I could understand why so many voters chose Trump in 2016, any sympathy I may have had for them has completely dissolved now. Based on his record as president there is no excuse to vote for him in 2020. In 2016 they were fed up, gullible and deluded. In 2020 they went to the polls knowing they'd get the same as in the previous four years, only more so. And yet they voted for Trump again. Stupid asshole who are OK with racism, sexism and fascism. The pox with the lot of them and all other voters who did not tick the box alongside Biden's name.
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Where do Trump voters get what little information about political life they actually take in? A large slice of them watch Fox News. Fox News has recently lost viewership to more demented sources like Newsmax and OAN because Fox hasn't sufficiently toed the Trumpist line.
The Trump voter likely doesn't trust mainstream media, and discounts or simply disbelieves the stories it tells. If somebody only trusts Fox News or other sources in the Trumpist part of the spectrum, their political view is dominated by alternative facts:
The man has done an excellent job, despite the relentless attacks by the Democrats. All that noise about racism and such, but look at his great employment numbers for the blacks. The election was stolen--look at all the affidavits and videos--don't let the mainstream media lie to you!
I haven't seen a more recent survey, but in the middle of last month half of all Republicans still claimed to believe that the presidential election was rigged. I wouldn't be surprised if that number had actually gone up, though I would hope that it's gone down.
The Trump voter likely doesn't trust mainstream media, and discounts or simply disbelieves the stories it tells. If somebody only trusts Fox News or other sources in the Trumpist part of the spectrum, their political view is dominated by alternative facts:
The man has done an excellent job, despite the relentless attacks by the Democrats. All that noise about racism and such, but look at his great employment numbers for the blacks. The election was stolen--look at all the affidavits and videos--don't let the mainstream media lie to you!
I haven't seen a more recent survey, but in the middle of last month half of all Republicans still claimed to believe that the presidential election was rigged. I wouldn't be surprised if that number had actually gone up, though I would hope that it's gone down.
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This is terrifying. I'm sure for many of us, the initial reaction is to laugh at these lunatics, but the thing is, I used to laugh at Fox News, and look how that turned out. There seems to boundless idiocy and gullibility on the American right and they will seemingly believe anything no matter how stupid, insane, or dangerous so long as it feeds their addiction to far right conspiracy garbage. We have serious disinformation problems in this country, and there doesn't seem to be any way to fix it...L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:34 pmFox News has recently lost viewership to more demented sources like Newsmax and OAN because Fox hasn't sufficiently toed the Trumpist line.
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Meanwhile back in the henhouse, US Attorney General Barr decided that since Durham is still not ready to deliver a report (and perhaps is continuing with his investigations into the horrible things the Mueller investigators and others did to Trump), it would be good to appoint Durham as a special counsel.
This will allow Durham to continue into the Biden administration with whatever it is he's still doing. It's a risky move because under Department of Justice regulations special counsels must be appointed 'from outside the United States Government'. It leaves Durham somewhat vulnerable to having his appointment revoked later.
'"That’s Not a Thing": AG Barr’s Special Counsel Appointment of Durham Did Not Follow DOJ Rules'
This will allow Durham to continue into the Biden administration with whatever it is he's still doing. It's a risky move because under Department of Justice regulations special counsels must be appointed 'from outside the United States Government'. It leaves Durham somewhat vulnerable to having his appointment revoked later.
'"That’s Not a Thing": AG Barr’s Special Counsel Appointment of Durham Did Not Follow DOJ Rules'
Attorney General Bill Barr set off alarm bells across the legal community early on Tuesday when it was reported that U.S. Attorney John Durham was promoted to the position of special counsel for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) in late October of this year.
But legal experts quickly pointed out a few holes.
“Following consultation with Mr. Durham, I have determined that, in light of the extraordinary circumstances relating to these matters, the public interest warrants Mr. Durham continuing this investigation pursuant to the powers and independence afforded by the Special Counsel regulations,” the 77th and 85th attorney general wrote in his Order No. 4878-2020.
Dated October 19, 2020, Barr disclosed the order and appointment in a letter to the chairs and ranking members of the U.S. House and Senate intelligence committees sent Tuesday.
The move signaled that Barr’s DOJ was not yet finished investigating the investigation into Russian-based electoral interference in the 2016 election and alleged obstruction of justice–an investigation which was led by the nation’s last special counsel, Robert Mueller.
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Former federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega and other legal commentators were a bit less impressed.
“Barr hasn’t pulled off any brilliant move,” she tweeted. “The AG doesn’t have to remove Durham. Durham will need approval from the AG for any significant steps. The AG will decide the propriety of proposed acts by applying the law to the facts. GOP will cry political bias regardless. So what?”
De la Vega also pointed out that Barr’s order was not “in accordance with” one of the major federal regulations governing the appointment of special counsels.
“He couldn’t have because a special counsel must come from outside the government,” she noted, before citing the language from the letter to congressional leadership. “Barr appointed Durham ‘with the powers and authority of a Special Counsel.’ That’s not a thing.”
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You really don't understand this type of story, do you? It's just like the Jesus one. ANY second now, it's ALL going to be sorted.pErvinalia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:12 amImagine the poor fellow... Spygate's going to unravel while he's not here to rub it in our faces. Poor Cunty...
Gen. Flynn did get his charges dismissed though. I wonder why Judge Sullivan was so reluctant to do it...
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In his decision to dismiss the charges U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan took care to point out:
A pardon does not necessarily render 'innocent' a defendant of any alleged violation of the law. Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized that the acceptance of a pardon implies a 'confession' of guilt.
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Agreed-- By accepting presidential pardon, Flynn by definition* is admitting guilt. That would make three times in total that he has done so in a formal legal setting. Sullivan's decision clearly states that the dismissal is due to the charges being moot in light of the pardon being issued (and Flynn accepting it). In essence, Flynn had pleaded guilty again, so Sullivan's work on the case was completed.
Sidney Powell may be an incompetent, delusional loon, but she had one thing right some months ago when she advised Flynn not to accept a pardon--that would be admitting guilt. She apparently believed that she could prove in court that Flynn was not guilty. It didn't go any better for her than her more recent juristic adventures, so US Atty. General Barr put his fat thumb on the scales of justice.
* From West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2: 'Unless the pardon expressly states that it is issued because of a determination that the recipient was innocent, a pardon does not imply innocence. It is merely a forgiveness of the offense. It is generally assumed that acceptance of a pardon is an implicit Acknowledgment of guilt, for one cannot be pardoned unless one has committed an offense.'
Sidney Powell may be an incompetent, delusional loon, but she had one thing right some months ago when she advised Flynn not to accept a pardon--that would be admitting guilt. She apparently believed that she could prove in court that Flynn was not guilty. It didn't go any better for her than her more recent juristic adventures, so US Atty. General Barr put his fat thumb on the scales of justice.
* From West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2: 'Unless the pardon expressly states that it is issued because of a determination that the recipient was innocent, a pardon does not imply innocence. It is merely a forgiveness of the offense. It is generally assumed that acceptance of a pardon is an implicit Acknowledgment of guilt, for one cannot be pardoned unless one has committed an offense.'
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Flynn freed, FBI finally forced to admit it has a laptop belonging to a murder victim.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/1 ... hs-laptop/
The Corney/Comey kerning thing we learned via q posts earlier could be confounding their efforts at transparency. They haven't earned a 'douchebag' finding yet (because someone could be setting them up via that trick) but it is sure looking more and more like it.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/1 ... hs-laptop/
But that was probably just a regular murder/robbery, right? I mean, why would the FBI be interested in THAT? Is it possibly because of the things Assange said, or because of something else this DNC staffer was up to?After more than four years of repeated denials from the FBI that they had searched their files and had no information on Seth Rich, we now know that was a blatant lie.
The Corney/Comey kerning thing we learned via q posts earlier could be confounding their efforts at transparency. They haven't earned a 'douchebag' finding yet (because someone could be setting them up via that trick) but it is sure looking more and more like it.
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Ah yes, the totally unbiased Gateway Pundit.
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Yes, attack the source, rather than address the information.
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Well, Gateway Pundit makes a lot of shit up. Why should we trust that this isn't total bullshit?
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