US Election 2020

[Scot Dutchy]

Well Trump's carry on has started in both Arizona and Pennsylvania.

Trump campaign: we will win Arizona by 30,000 votes despite it being called for Biden

Trump complains again about mail-in ballot counting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 7052c9d49e

[Scot Dutchy]

The Supreme Court could decide who win the debacle of an election.

Could Trump really settle US election result in the supreme court?

Trump has packed court with conservatives and lawyers are ready to challenge election process, but proof will be crucial

Given Donald Trump’s lifelong predilection for tying up opponents in the courts, and his long-stated threat to do the same with an election result that threatened to go against him, his call to have the 2020 election settled in the supreme court is not a surprise.

So can he do it?

Trump may, with this in mind, have filled the supreme court with conservative appointees, but things aren’t so straightforward. The supreme court is the final court of appeal in the US and has discretion over which cases it should hear, largely relating to challenges to cases heard in lower courts on points of federal law and the constitution.

So a lot of action will happen initially at state-level courts – the election has prompted a spate of new cases in the hotly contested battleground state of Pennsylvania, including two due to be heard later on Wednesday.

What has made the current election landscape more of a minefield is the fact the coronavirus pandemic has led states to look for ways to make voting safer, including expanding absentee ballots, which has opened states up to challenges in the courts over issues such as proposed extensions to the period in which late mail-in votes are counted.

It is important to remember that election challenges in state courts are nothing new, sometimes without merit, and often have little impact in the end. However, one important exception to that was the 2000 election where a series of legal challenges over faulty voting procedures in Florida handed the election to George W Bush.

What’s the thrust of Trump’s tactic?

With more than 40 pre-election cases by Republicans, Trump’s strategy is to argue that any measure to make voting easier and safer in the midst of a pandemic is unconstitutional and open to fraud, a framing aimed at the supreme court.

A second argument that has been deployed several times is that many of the measures to ensure voting is easy have been made by state officials – like governors – rather than state legislatures, opening a path, say conservatives, for a constitutional challenge.

[Sean Hayden]

...and what's with all the praise of democracy I'm seeing? Bunch of sickos.

Don't worry. If Trump gets another term he'll have whatever semblance of democracy there is in the USA binned before the end of 2024. You'll love the coming dynasty, the unbridled nepotism and corruption to come. You better. There's nothing you can do to prevent it. But there's a bright side to it: You'll no longer have to deal with that odious form of government any more - democracy.

--fair enough, I guess.

But what I find so depressing is all the smiling faces, glowing with pride at the democratic participation regardless of outcome. Talk about an own goal for the participation graders...

[Brian Peacock]

Well Trump's carry on has started in both Arizona and Pennsylvania.

Trump campaign: we will win Arizona by 30,000 votes despite it being called for Biden

Trump complains again about mail-in ballot counting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 7052c9d49e

It's like an 800 meter runner claiming victory because they were in front with a lap to go and then threatening to take the other competitors to court for stealing the victory as they're going down the back straight.

One good thing in all this though: lots of people voting.

[Joe]

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One of our NE congressional districts goes Biden. An actual elector.

The third district is ranchers. There is no city over 50 000 there. There IS Colorado next door, where you go get your abortions, tattoos and weed.

The popular vote winner gets the other two electors, so Trump gets 4.
https://www.1011now.com/2020/11/04/brea ... ther-four/

If the current leads in Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan hold up, that elector gives Biden 270. It would be wild if Biden's path to the White House went through Nebraska.

[Brian Peacock]

But the only free and fair election is the one in which Trump wins!

[Brian Peacock]

First trans and first black gay senators elected. I wonder which party they stood for?

[Tero]

Why couldn't it be Trump? Dead Trump would have won, though, so there is that. Never mind.

[Sean Hayden]

We are unlikely to pick up the Senate, and if Biden wins it will only be by [ - ] that much.

[Joe]

But the only free and fair election is the one in which Trump wins!

Yeahbut the guy who said that lies a lot.

[Tero]

We may have a wiener by the end of the day, without PA decided.

[Hermit]

...and what's with all the praise of democracy I'm seeing? Bunch of sickos.

Don't worry. If Trump gets another term he'll have whatever semblance of democracy there is in the USA binned before the end of 2024. You'll love the coming dynasty, the unbridled nepotism and corruption to come. You better. There's nothing you can do to prevent it. But there's a bright side to it: You'll no longer have to deal with that odious form of government any more - democracy.

--fair enough, I guess.

But what I find so depressing is all the smiling faces, glowing with pride at the democratic participation regardless of outcome. Talk about an own goal for the participation graders...

Well, yes, democratically derived decisions can be horrifically stupid. Ignoring the fact that Trump won in 2016 despite trailing by almost 3 million votes, and is currently trailing by a similar amount, the size of the popular support he keeps getting is certainly not something one could cite in favour of democracy.

That said, I'll just repeat the Churchill quote I posted in reply to one of your missives three days ago (and which you ignored): "democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time" That, to me, is pretty much the bottom line when it comes to any discussion about forms of government.

[Sean Hayden]

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We may have a wiener by the end of the day, without PA decided.

--yeah right, it's recount time.

[Hermit]

We may have a wiener by the end of the day, without PA decided.

Looking better than twelve hours ago. Biden only needs to win the states he is already ahead in to fall over the line with 270 EC votes. Then he'll have to hope that all the electors he won actually vote for him, of course, and that none of the Republicans' court challenges succeed.

[Joe]

They're already planning to request a recount in Wisconsin according to the NYT website.