The Coronavirus Thread

[Tero]

Should have bought stocks in mask makers.

Most of the sellers on Amazon are incompetent. They take too many orders, fail with distribution and shipping.

[Brian Peacock]

That's Capitalism!

[Brian Peacock]

I've found a mask Scot can wear...

[Brian Peacock]

Plus a nice t-shirt for our absent meme-ber for Yellowspoon...

[Scot Dutchy]

Het is geen vervanging van

Yep it recommends using them. JFCOAPS.

Indeed, it does because

The mouth mask can, with good use, reduce the risk that drops from the mouth and nose are spread to the environment.

You still dont get it. That is why they are useless as they are seldom used properly because it is impossible to do so.
They don't protect you, only other people from you. It creates a false sense of security. Most tests are carried out in labs.

That argument reminds me of arguments against gun ownership regulations. It is also applicable to laws concerning seat belts in cars. To wit, what is the point of such laws if they do not stop all murders / traffic accident fatalities?

I go with the notion that every bit helps, as does the Dutch Ministry of Health. That is why it says that The mouth mask can, with good use, reduce the risk that drops from the mouth and nose are spread to the environment.

There you go again. It does not ffs. It knows that masks are seldom if at all used properly which is why they dont recommend them. Please try and read correctly. Only and if only they are used with good use do they have any effect. Face masks can become a source of infection. Those drops btw have to travel what? No one knows and it is open to speculation. Collecting them in a mask maybe not the best way to deal with them when someone touches the mask and spreads them over nearby surfaces.

[Svartalf]

Plus a nice t-shirt for our absent meme-ber for Yellowspoon...

So human rights are antithetic to human lives? well, that explain why I never really wanted to live in the US, I love what I try to pass off for health too much

[Hermit]

Yep it recommends using them. JFCOAPS.

Indeed, it does because

The mouth mask can, with good use, reduce the risk that drops from the mouth and nose are spread to the environment.

You still dont get it. That is why they are useless as they are seldom used properly because it is impossible to do so.
They don't protect you, only other people from you. It creates a false sense of security. Most tests are carried out in labs.

That argument reminds me of arguments against gun ownership regulations. It is also applicable to laws concerning seat belts in cars. To wit, what is the point of such laws if they do not stop all murders / traffic accident fatalities?

I go with the notion that every bit helps, as does the Dutch Ministry of Health. That is why it says that The mouth mask can, with good use, reduce the risk that drops from the mouth and nose are spread to the environment.

There you go again. It does not ffs.

I'm just quoting what your own Ministry of Health says about masks. Sorry 'bout that, chief.

[JimC]

It is true that masks must be worn correctly to work at their best, and washed thoroughly etc. Also true that some people will not do this perfectly.

However, that doesn't change the argument that, on average, a population wearing masks (hopefully with good education about them to minimise incorrect use) will reduce public transmission by a useful amount compared to an identical population without masks, as long as mask wearing does not tempt people to abandon other measures of social distancing and personal hygiene. Fighting this pandemic is very much an issue of mathematics and population statistics...

[Scot Dutchy]

The truth Jim it does not work. There is no data to back it up. It is just a conclusion made by many without knowledge. A mask badly made or badly worn can become a source of the disease. Also it encourages many to ignore the other hygiene advice. It is a bad 'just in case' advice. Making them compulsory will just encourage people to cut corners and just carry some old rag in their pocket. Unless you are going to issue exact specifications and control them the 'better than nothing' philosophy fails.

[rainbow]

The truth Jim it does not work. There is no data to back it up. It is just a conclusion made by many without knowledge. A mask badly made or badly worn can become a source of the disease.

Please explain how this is possible. Don't forget to include some peer-reviewed scientific papers, that can back up your statements.

You do know that a viron cannot replicate outside of a living cell, I presume?

[JimC]

The truth Jim it does not work. There is no data to back it up. It is just a conclusion made by many without knowledge. A mask badly made or badly worn can become a source of the disease. Also it encourages many to ignore the other hygiene advice. It is a bad 'just in case' advice. Making them compulsory will just encourage people to cut corners and just carry some old rag in their pocket. Unless you are going to issue exact specifications and control them the 'better than nothing' philosophy fails.

You've missed my point, Scot. Even with some people making errors in wearing masks, a higher proportion of people wearing them in public places simply must reduce the amount of viral transmission, and thus slow the infection rate. It is not perfect, it must be accompanied by all the other usual measures, but all medical advice is that it has a useful statistical effect on transmission reduction.

[Brian Peacock]

[Scot Dutchy]

The truth Jim it does not work. There is no data to back it up. It is just a conclusion made by many without knowledge. A mask badly made or badly worn can become a source of the disease. Also it encourages many to ignore the other hygiene advice. It is a bad 'just in case' advice. Making them compulsory will just encourage people to cut corners and just carry some old rag in their pocket. Unless you are going to issue exact specifications and control them the 'better than nothing' philosophy fails.

You've missed my point, Scot. Even with some people making errors in wearing masks, a higher proportion of people wearing them in public places simply must reduce the amount of viral transmission, and thus slow the infection rate. It is not perfect, it must be accompanied by all the other usual measures, but all medical advice is that it has a useful statistical effect on transmission reduction.

You are missing my point Jim. Misusing of masks creates an even greater risk. People touch their mask and then touch surfaces where the virus can live up to three hours thus increasing the infection rate. So it is counter productive. It also gives a false sense of protection. There is no data on masks because of the other measures being taken. Lab tests prove nothing. What bugs me in the negativity that masks produce. It is dehumanising with no positive results. Luckily that is how most people here feel about it. People getting out of public transport seldom walk with the mask on. The way they remove their masks leaves a lot to be desired as well.

[NineBerry]

So, the problem is rather that the Dutch are selfish people. Just like they blocked the EU aides for Italy and Spain over the weekend.

[NineBerry]

How Dutch people wear masks