Got to keep the paranoia going. After facemasks it will be the app when Big Brother really takes over. The Irish have had a 60% take up of their app. So now 60% of the population can be followed. The data will be destroyed after two weeks! Pull the other one its got bells on. The Dutch government have refused to take part in any development of the app. Google and Apple had offered.
Google and Apple already know more about us than we know about ourselves. The Dutch and UK governments just want to get their hands on that lovely, lovely data for themselves, which is why they are refusing to join the Goopple and are developing their own contact tracing apps. It'd be so much easier if we just had a bar code tattoo and an RF chip embedded at birth.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
The app also tells the authorities where you are. The numbers are so low that the chances of meeting someone with the virus is very low. I dont know anyone or my wife as never heard of anyone (she has a large social network) that was infected never mind dying.
The concept for the currently developed apps doesn't send any information on your location or identity to a third party. The concept is that every device generates a new random ID several times a day and broadcasts this ID to nearby devices via Bluetooth. The app running on the other devices stores this ID (that cannot be connected with you without private information from your phone) if the devices are close to each other over a certain time.
When someone tests positive, they hand their phone over to the health services and the seen IDs from this device are pushed to a public database. Your phone regularly downloads this full database and checks whether any of your past random IDs is in the database. If yes, then you see an alarm on your phone.
There is no breach of privacy at all. Even the German Chaos Computer Club who are to privacy like AlQuaeda is to Islam, agree that this concept has no problems with regard to privacy.
It would never have passed the courts here. Too much loss of privacy.
Wrong
The Dutch government's coronavirus notification app, CoronaMelder, will be launched throughout the Netherlands on September 1, Minister Hugo de Jonge of Public Health announced in a letter to parliament.
Als eerste zal in het programma gewerkt worden aan een «proof of concept» voor digitale ondersteuning van contactonderzoek op basis van het opgestelde programma van eisen. Dit zal leiden tot een open source app op basis van het afgelopen week door Apple en Google gepubliceerde «framework».
The Dutch and UK governments just want to get their hands on that lovely, lovely data for themselves, which is why they are refusing to join the Goopple and are developing their own contact tracing apps. It'd be so much easier if we just had a bar code tattoo and an RF chip embedded at birth.
No, Both countries gave up their resistance and are now developing apps based on the Google/Apple API
So what's stopping them from just endorsing the Goopple app and encouraging everyone to use thst instead?
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
There is no Google App. There is an API in the Android and iOS operating systems. Each country needs their own app that is built on the API because
1) you also need a way to verify that a person that enters the information that they were tested positive are not lying (The App needs to verify there was a positive test)
2) Lawyers were not happy about the list of random ids of infected persons being stored on a central world-wide server even though the ids are useless except for the person carrying the phone that has seen the id. But that's lawyers...
European countries are currently working on creating infrastructure so that the national apps con cooperate so that notifications can be shared between users from different countries.
Get your yogurt flowing! Low Covid-related death rates in the yogurt-intensive countries on the Balkans!
"Although it is difficult to compare health systems and death reporting across European countries, Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have very low death rates. This might also be associated with diet since cabbage (Romania) and fermented milk (Bulgaria and Greece) are common foods. The latter food is a known ACE natural inhibitor [31]. Turkey, another apparently low-death rate country, also consumes a lot of cabbage and fermented milk products."
Get your yogurt flowing! Low Covid-related death rates in the yogurt-intensive countries on the Balkans!
"Although it is difficult to compare health systems and death reporting across European countries, Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have very low death rates. This might also be associated with diet since cabbage (Romania) and fermented milk (Bulgaria and Greece) are common foods. The latter food is a known ACE natural inhibitor [31]. Turkey, another apparently low-death rate country, also consumes a lot of cabbage and fermented milk products."
No, the tracing apps using the phone api don't record your location history. The phones send out random bluetooth beacons to nearby phones. Phones only record beacons they saw on the phone itself. No data is sent to servers. Only if you are tested positive, you send the list of your past beacons to a server. The beacons are useless to anyone. They don't contain location information. The contact matching again happens on the phones themselves.
Get your yogurt flowing! Low Covid-related death rates in the yogurt-intensive countries on the Balkans!
"Although it is difficult to compare health systems and death reporting across European countries, Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have very low death rates. This might also be associated with diet since cabbage (Romania) and fermented milk (Bulgaria and Greece) are common foods. The latter food is a known ACE natural inhibitor [31]. Turkey, another apparently low-death rate country, also consumes a lot of cabbage and fermented milk products."
No, the tracing apps using the phone api don't record your location history. The phones send out random bluetooth beacons to nearby phones. Phones only record beacons they saw on the phone itself. No data is sent to servers. Only if you are tested positive, you send the list of your past beacons to a server. The beacons are useless to anyone. They don't contain location information. The contact matching again happens on the phones themselves.
at least that's what they want you to believe...
If Apple and Google want to collect data on your phone, they'll just do so. They don't need you to install an app.
Do really believe all that guff. Come on it is the perfect time for Big Brother. That will never happen here. It will end up in court. Quite amazing that so many people are so gullible.
Here is a Dutch article over de app. I cant find an English one that questions in so much depth.
Vanaf 1 september wordt de veelbesproken corona-app CoronaMelder landelijk in gebruik genomen. Dat blijkt uit een tijdlijn die het ministerie van Volksgezondheid heeft gepubliceerd. Wat zijn de pijnpunten?
It is not known how effective it is. So we going to an app which we dont know if it works. Brilliant.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
There was a fairly big hoo-haa here about the app. Several million people downloaded it (Bron tried, but it wouldn't work with her phone). Latest reports suggest a fairly minimal usefulness so far...
