The Coronavirus Thread

[NineBerry]

If there's enough space in icus, covid cases can spend weeks there before recovering or dying. The result is that deaths are seen a lot later than when infections happen.

Another aspect is that increased testing helps to identify cases and prevent the virus from reaching the elderly.

[JimC]

If there's enough space in icus, covid cases can spend weeks there before recovering or dying. The result is that deaths are seen a lot later than when infections happen.

Another aspect is that increased testing helps to identify cases and prevent the virus from reaching the elderly.

Both good points.

[Seabass]

I'm noticing a trend, at least in the US data. The daily rate of new cases is remaining high, well over 20,000, but the number of deaths per day (in the past, often well over 1,000) seems to be decreasing a bit. I was thinking that the virus has killed a significant proportion of the elderly people with dangerous co-morbidities, and/or people with a particular susceptibility to its effects already, so a somewhat smaller proportion of infected people are currently dying. Just a speculation, of course...

I think what's probably more likely is that we're seeing NY and nearby areas starting to get this thing under control while the virus is now making it's way through the rest of the country. So cases are going down in some places while they go up in others. I suspect we'll see big increases in number of deaths in coming weeks...

[JimC]

The test for that would be to analyse case rates and death rates both over time and state-by-state. I'm sure someone is doing that, unless their funding has been cut by the Trump administration...

[Cunt]

I'm noticing a trend, at least in the US data. The daily rate of new cases is remaining high, well over 20,000, but the number of deaths per day (in the past, often well over 1,000) seems to be decreasing a bit. I was thinking that the virus has killed a significant proportion of the elderly people with dangerous co-morbidities, and/or people with a particular susceptibility to its effects already, so a somewhat smaller proportion of infected people are currently dying. Just a speculation, of course...

After that Dr. Brix lady said that she thought the numbers were high by about 25%, it stands to reason that more differences would appear.

Of course, one should still trust the authorities completely though.

[Hermit]

Of course, one should still trust the authorities completely though.

Said nobody ever.

Where do you keep getting all your strawmen from?

[JimC]

Of course, one should still trust the authorities completely though.

Said nobody ever.

Where do you keep getting all your strawmen from?

He needs his own combine harvester to make sure of enough straw...

[Hermit]

Of course, one should still trust the authorities completely though.

Said nobody ever.

Where do you keep getting all your strawmen from?

He needs his own combine harvester to make sure of enough straw...

Maybe our member from Yellowknife discovered a way of turning snow into straw. There's plenty of that where he lives.

Either way, he has plenty of them.

[laklak]

We haven't scraped the surface of old fucks yet, only 130,000 dead and we got literally millions and millions of them and that's just in Florida and Arizona.

The acid test is the death rate over the next month or so, if it climbs like new cases we are in serious trouble, if it doesn't then we might have sufficiently flattened the curve, for the first wave anyway.

[Galaxian]

A 13-day old baby, understood to have no underlying health conditions, has died from Covid-19, NHS England has reported....
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... st-victims

A baby dies...several million are murdered/aborted. Did the baby die of a corona virus, or was it suffocated with a pillow over its face? Reported in The Guardian, eh? A well know reactionary propaganda rag... read the history of their buy-out a few years back, shortly after they capitulated to MI5 raiding their computer room & smashing their hard drives (Snowdon files) ...

What is that article supposed to imply...that we should all wear burkas, hate physical proximity, and take a vaccine... and trust the government? The same government that asserted that Saddam Hussein could destroy London in 45 minutes with his WMDs & ICBMs. Yeah, THAT government.

Still, not long to go now, not long to go. Fifteen years and it'll all be over, bar the whimpering; "Gee, didn't see that coming!"

There's no obligation to sympathise, empathise, or even give half of two-shits. Nonetheless, the real Galaxian wouldn't have been so dismissive.

Tell me, Brian, should the 'real' Galaxian sympathize/empathize with the baby suffocated with a pillow, or the person who used the pillow for the suffocation? Well? which is it?
Or perhaps both? Or do we dismiss the whole lot as an implausible charade? Even when we see millions of babies aborted right up to the time of birth?

To extrapolate; do we sympathize/empathize with the military who are just following orders? Or do we sympathize/empathize with the victims of their rampage? Did they rid the planet of undesirables, or merely of innocent men. women, & children? Which is it?

Or in the fashion of the perpetual sob-story, perhaps it's a contrition thing? Wring our hands, lacerate our flesh, wear sackcloth & ashes, weep crocodile tears, and shriek "Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa!"

Do we sympathize/empathize with the shopkeepers who have been looted and burned down? Or do we sympathize/empathize with the low-life who did the muggings, rapes, looting, and arson?

So, do sympathy/empathy even have any meaning other than as transient touchy-feely psycho-babble, SJW rallying calls & mantras?
Looked at deeply: Black Lives do NOT Matter, White Lives do NOT Matter, nor do yellow or brown ones. NO LIVES MATTER!

In the final analysis: "There's no Mercy. There's no Justice. There is only Natural Selection!

[Hermit]

Must do better. Capslock, boldface, italics and a cartoon of Hydra are unconvincing without colouring in some of the type.

[NineBerry]

Also not enough emoticons.

[NineBerry]

We are now at 800 cases in a single meat factory over a couple of days

1030 cases in a single factory.

1553 cases now and they aren't even finished testing...

[JimC]

Here is an interesting analysis by the ABC on the phenomenon of higher than expected death rates, both overseas and in Oz:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/ ... s/12321162

Since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, many questions have been raised about the reliability of the official COVID-19 statistics given by each country.

In the United Kingdom, for example, some estimates suggest that official testing has only picked up 14 per cent of cases.

If such a vast number of cases of this sometimes-lethal disease are being undercounted, they're bound to show up in the most morbid of places — a country's death data.

A recent analysis from The Economist found that in a number of countries, there were a substantial number of excess deaths above what would normally be expected.

But not all of those deaths were reflected in the official COVID-19 statistics. For example:

In March, France and Italy recorded 15,433 and 24,091 additional deaths which are unexplained by the official COVID-19 statistics.
In Spain, there were 10,151 that same month.
In Britain, there were an extra 12,197 deaths in April, over and above those officially registered as COVID-19 deaths.
And in New York City, where the largest outbreak in the US has occurred, there were 3,799 excess deaths recorded in April.

"Australia does not show the uplift in deaths from the start of the COVID pandemic seen in the other countries, and given these are all coming off winter where we normally see higher death rates, this is even more notable as we do expect some rise as we enter our flu season. The fact that our COVID deaths are not even visible as a fraction of our reported deaths on this scale is a reminder of how successful we were on keeping our COVID-related death rate so comparatively low," she added.

[Cunt]

Oh look, a trusted health official...

https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/pennsylva ... sing-home/

In March, Levine ordered long-term care facilities in the state to continue to accept coronavirus patients who had been discharged from hospitals but un­able to return to their homes, the Bucks County Courier Times reported.

Of the state’s 3,806 coronavirus deaths, 2,611 had occurred in nursing homes and long-term-care ­facilities, according to ABC27.

The Pennsylvania attorney general has reportedly opened a criminal investigation of several ­facilities in the wake of the rising death toll.

“While we salute and appreciate nursing-home staff on the front lines during this pandemic, we will not tolerate those who mistreat our seniors and break the law,” state Attorney General Josh Shapiro told NBC News.

Suspicion of health officials 'expertise' should increase with their BMI.