The Coronavirus Thread
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It's not usual for nursing homes that so many people die in such a short time. What could be another reason?
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Actually, less than a few days ago, and more people left ICU than were admitted... not to say it's over by a far throw, but it seems to be getting somewhat better.
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That is for the Health Inspectorate to find out. We have had cases of insulin overdoses before. Maybe in these times someone thought to clean up the home. They were all dementia patients.
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Exactly the same is happening here. There is a group of café owners who have come forward with plans to open their establishments. So many companies want to restart. People cant accept the restrictions.Svartalf wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:08 pmActually, less than a few days ago, and more people left ICU than were admitted... not to say it's over by a far throw, but it seems to be getting somewhat better.
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Scot, if old people in nursing homes are suddenly dying at a much higher rate than normal, what is the cause if not the virus?Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:59 pmHere is an example in our media over claims being made.
Nursing home residents hard hit by corona, lack of tests and equipment: NRC
Another use of a non word. It is same as politics which shows where it is operating.The NRC reports that almost half the residents of a Rotterdam nursing home unit for elderly dementia patients have died in the past three weeks, probably from coronavirus. A spokesman for the De Leeuwenhoek home told the paper that ‘a large number of patients have died’ but will not give a figure. According to the paper, 15 people have died so far, and there are new deaths on an almost daily basis. In the meantime, all 72 residents of the home have reportedly been tested for coronavirus and it now transpires 25% of patients and over a quarter of the permanent staff have been infected, the paper said.
BTW the Health Inspectorate is making an investigation. Somebody is not buying it.
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That is what I am saying Jim. We dont know what they have died from. There has been a few cases of carers losing it and bumping them off with insulin. What gets me is the claim it is the virus. We dont know.
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There you go, right there. You're bringing your ready-made answer to that question. In fact, the question simply serves as a vehicle for you to justify your response - to justify your intuitions. This is what makes you sound like a conspiracy nut. "They" are malign agents with a secret plan and a power that has controlled the arc of history to lead us to this point. It's teleology all the way down and we've heard it all before, for years, from people who do it better, like Galaxian and Birthers and 9/11 Truthers and MacArthytes and, unsurprisingly, from right-wing freaknuts who march chanting "Jews will not replace us!"Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:38 pmBrian
What a load of crap you write. Sorry I am not going to reply anymore. So many are questioning the data but you wont. I am sorry but I have dealt with government data from many countries and it is mostly shit. You accept it well good luck with that.
You always reply according to the old saying; "never mind the quality feel the width". A load of nothing.
Ask yourself one question: "Why?". I do it all the time.
Perhaps because it would render parties currently in government unelectable for decades if they didn't, and people dying on the doorstep of overcrowded ITC units would panic the population at large.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:38 pmWhy are governments especially the right wing ones making such a fuss about 11,4 deaths per 1 million of the worlds population when there are so many other problems and deaths happening?
That's a different issue and I've addressed that a number of times - but you keep ignoring it. I'm reluctant to believe what you imply here, that there's a hierarchy of suffering and dysfunction that means we have to let some people die now because either governments or societies don't help some other, more important group of people before. It's a bollocks idea and it's a bollocks opinion - an opinion which justifies inaction rather than action.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:38 pmThey are not worried about the millions of first world population that are in poverty. The children that are dying from starvation and bad health care. No it is a virus which is not even causing that many deaths. No we have to lock down while the 1% fly around the world and live in their fifth or sixth house avoiding any attention while completely ignoring any restrictions. The environment is being ignored and you were so involved. Do you realise what this will do to the world economy and civil rights? Even our government was talking about the app used in South Korea but luckily more saner people are around and it has been dropped.
Power is part of the dynamic in any relationship between the government and the governed. If you've being paying attention to my posts over the past few years you'll no doubt be able to guess where I come from on that particular dynamic. But at the moment this is mostly about something more important than one's reading of social and political economy - this is about thousands of people dying from a rampant global infection. And what do you think will happen in the global South when a virus 10x more contagious than the flu and 4x more likely to kill you if get it takes hold, as indeed it will? Who's going to sew your undershorts then, or print the labels on your favourite Belgian beer, or manufacture and package the medicines your doctor prescribes for you? Did you know that 48% of businesses didn't pay their rent this month, nor 33% of private tenants? How does that fit in with your 'It's the right that did it' conspiracy?Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:38 pmCant you see what is going on? I doubt it. It is not about the virus but about power.
As I said before, there is a political dimension to this, but it's not the simplistic one your think it is. Do you think people are going to vote for decades of deeper austerity and falling living standards, even more job insecurity, higher rents and worse housing, reduced public service etc etc just to maintain share dividends and make sure bankers get their bonuses every Christmas after this? Still, that's a question for later - and to a great extent the answer will depend on something more significant: the human cost.
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Once again Brian a load of biased shit. You can write it I will give you that. I am not going to answer that dribble.
You obviously have your mind set up. A wall in a public toilet would reply better.
Just look at the numbers and reflect. You are talking shite as they would say in Leith.
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Just look at the numbers and reflect. You are talking shite as they would say in Leith.
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Mortality numbers for March are > 2x the seasonal average. Think about that.
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You're wasting your time, Brian. It's best just to ignore him. It's the ranting of a confused old man.
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He wrote, immediately followed by a 232 word reply in the same post.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:38 pmBrian
What a load of crap you write. Sorry I am not going to reply anymore. [snip]

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His attitude is not unique. There's lots of people who literally don't give a shit - when people don't feel like they're invested in society, that they're just a pawn to be used by somebody or something else, when they're told that things are great but their own lives are kinda shit, when the system doesn't acknowledge their existence or their struggles or give a damn about them, why should they give a damn about anybody else(?) There's no such thing as society right? There's just individuals and families? Moreover, they resent those that do care and call that stagnant self-deluding resentment 'common sense', or 'the real world' etc and talk about all the things that keep them and others isolated and physically and psychologically oppressed as if those things weren't created by humans, but rather it's just a force of nature - ever present for always and forever - like the wind or the tides, something you can't influence let alone resist. For people like that the truth is whatever they think they can get away with; whatever they think they can convince other people to believe in, and when they come up against data and facts, or even opinions, that threatens to undermine or challenge their 'common sense' of things they interpret their disquiet and uncertainty as something they've been manipulated into - it's all lies, or bias, or a malign plot, and often they'll fight (sometimes literally) tooth and nail not to be exposed to anything that threatens to undermine their world view or troubles their conscience. It's depressing - not in the sense of making me maudlin or unhappy, but in the sense that it diminishes, pushes down, or devitalises the world turns it into a myopic, monochrome, over-simplified fiction. People are dying alone and in pain. People are having their last conversation with their loved ones over Skype. Children are dying without their mothers by their side because of a lack of equipment. And the mypoist says it counts for nothing and that we have to cure all the other horrors in the world before we can legitimately express concern about Covid-19. That's not just depressing, that denying common humanity, particularly when they've already got their retaliation in first by saying "But that's just the way the world works sonny." Fuck that shit. Fuck that shit hard.
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You're over-thinking this. The guy is just old and paranoid. You can track the steady regression over the last 6-12 months.
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Maybe. But I still say fuck that shit hard.
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