The Coronavirus Thread

[pErvinalia]

The numbers are so low that there are make-shift morgues in all the hot-spots. That doctors at the hot-spots have to choose which patient and treat and which to neglect. That the ICUs are filled with dozens of intubated patients where according to the doctors there, there are at other times hardly any situations where more than one patient is intubated at the same time. And this is only at the beginning of the whole thing. It is easy to calculate that with exponential growth of infected people, the deaths would also grow exponentially.

Strange how they are slowing down. A lot of assumptions have been made that is one thing certain.

Because the virus is being treated seriously, dipshit.

[Scot Dutchy]

The numbers are so low that there are make-shift morgues in all the hot-spots. That doctors at the hot-spots have to choose which patient and treat and which to neglect. That the ICUs are filled with dozens of intubated patients where according to the doctors there, there are at other times hardly any situations where more than one patient is intubated at the same time. And this is only at the beginning of the whole thing. It is easy to calculate that with exponential growth of infected people, the deaths would also grow exponentially.

Strange how they are slowing down. A lot of assumptions have been made that is one thing certain.

The rate of infection is slowing down because of measures taken ("social distancing").

That is an assumption.

[NineBerry]

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgi ... df19c77d08

Belgian-Dutch Study: Why in times of COVID-19 you can not walk/run/bike close to each other.

[Scot Dutchy]

Impossible distances. How does the wind influence? Tell a cycle club (racing cycling) to keep 20 metres apart? The art of club cycling is keeping in a tight formation at an average speed of 20 kph (it is called the train as the lesser members can take a ride). I have seen them on the streets here and nothing has changed and that also goes for normal cyclists especially when they wait at a traffic light they are all bunched.

[laklak]

Just a footnote:

The whole of China has 2 deaths per million inhabitants.
America has 39 per million.

I do not believe a single thing that comes out of China. They've obfuscated and lied about this from day one.

[Brian Peacock]

Not according to my data.

This is sorted by known cases. I was speaking of deaths per million citizens. Click on that column to sort accordingly.

Deaths are a very bad metric as none are investigated. Known cases is not 100% either but we have been saying that about all the figures.

Yes we have. If you search this thread for 'epidemiological' you find posts saying the data is less than complete, but to expect to have that kind of over-arching post-pandemic perspective today is unrealistic - and to cite it's absence as a reason for governments to ignore their public duty is to found an opinion on wishful thinking and ignorance.

Dont insult. We have no data on the deaths. It is totally incomplete. We dont know if these people would have died or did they die of the virus. The numbers are so low and the models have been proven totally inaccurate. So please stop waffling.

Lol. Poppycock! We have lots of data on the deaths. We can see the figures for ourselves, watch how they change over time and understand the trends at a glance. The figures may be incomplete, they may not take account of all the information available at the moment or of all of the factors in play, but an absence of complete and infallible data is neither here nor there. Covid-19 is a novel coronavirus - the medical, epidemiological, and public health specialists are having to understand it as they go, and governments are applying or ignoring that understanding as they see fit or as they are able to.

Of course we don't know if these people would have died anyway - that kind of prediction is best left to soothsayer and oracles - but what we can do is map the deaths against data we already have and against trends in that data. That shows a massive and unprecedented spike in deaths whether you break that down nationally, demographically, or even globally. This spike can be fully accounted for by the pandemic - we don't have to cast about for unknown factors or causes. If you were interested you could compare the data yourself to refute or support your own intuition - but you have a ready-made excuse at hand to avoid that don't you? You don't trust the numbers.

This is why I said you were opinionating from ignorance and have nothing more than wishful thinking to offer. Just like saying "All statements are false" is a logical paradox so is saying that the numbers are lower because you can't trust the numbers. You might not accept that the death rate in the Netherlands or the UK this week is about 2x the average weekly death rate and at an even higher rate still when compared to what would normally be expected for this time of year. But to maintain your opinion you'll have to discredit the mortality data from previous years as well as discount the current figures on Covid-19 related mortalities - and doing that would be an exercise in denialism, plain and simple.

That's where your opinion stands with me at the moment - which is to say it doesn't stand up at all.

[NineBerry]

The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21P3KF

[NineBerry]

France is looking worse than I would have expected.

[Scot Dutchy]

Brian

What a load of crap you write. Sorry I am not going to reply anymore. So many are questioning the data but you wont. I am sorry but I have dealt with government data from many countries and it is mostly shit. You accept it well good luck with that.
You always reply according to the old saying; "never mind the quality feel the width". A load of nothing.

Ask yourself one question: "Why?". I do it all the time.

Why are governments especially the right wing ones making such a fuss about 11,4 deaths per 1 million of the worlds population when there are so many other problems and deaths happening?
They are not worried about the millions of first world population that are in poverty. The children that are dying from starvation and bad health care. No it is a virus which is not even causing that many deaths. No we have to lock down while the 1% fly around the world and live in their fifth or sixth house avoiding any attention while completely ignoring any restrictions. The environment is being ignored and you were so involved. Do you realise what this will do to the world economy and civil rights? Even our government was talking about the app used in South Korea but luckily more saner people are around and it has been dropped.

Cant you see what is going on? I doubt it. It is not about the virus but about power.

[Scot Dutchy]

The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21P3KF

Or over counting but of course that never comes into the psyche.

[Svartalf]

France is looking worse than I would have expected.

How so?

[Scot Dutchy]

France is looking worse than I would have expected.

How so?

Nine sees everything worse. The virus kool aid has a strange effect.

[NineBerry]

France is looking worse than I would have expected.

How so?

Lots of new deaths today. But this might just be an anomaly because of changing the way the deaths are counted or something like that

[Scot Dutchy]

This is another case of the idiot way things are "estimated". There is no evidence but...

Hundreds of UK care home deaths not added to official coronavirus toll

Exclusive: Industry body estimates up to 1,000 people may have died in care homes so far

Again another claim with completely no scientific backing.

Care England, the industry body, estimated that the death toll is likely to be close to 1,000, despite the only available official figure for care home fatalities being dramatically lower. The Office for National Statistics said this week that 20 people died in care homes across the whole of England and Wales in the week to 27 March.

Of course these deaths were due to the virus. Numbers are falling and we cant have that can we.

[Scot Dutchy]

Here is an example in our media over claims being made.

Nursing home residents hard hit by corona, lack of tests and equipment: NRC

The NRC reports that almost half the residents of a Rotterdam nursing home unit for elderly dementia patients have died in the past three weeks, probably from coronavirus. A spokesman for the De Leeuwenhoek home told the paper that ‘a large number of patients have died’ but will not give a figure. According to the paper, 15 people have died so far, and there are new deaths on an almost daily basis. In the meantime, all 72 residents of the home have reportedly been tested for coronavirus and it now transpires 25% of patients and over a quarter of the permanent staff have been infected, the paper said.

Another use of a non word. It is same as politics which shows where it is operating.

BTW the Health Inspectorate is making an investigation. Somebody is not buying it.