US Election 2020

[Hermit]

The Mueller Investigation, while not stating so outright, did not exonerate Hermit.

Because I was not under investigation. Well, that is part of the reason anyway.

[pErvinalia]

You're also part of the Deep State.

[Cunt]

I consider some of you arguing at once that the government is corrupt, especially under Trump, while also arguing for more and more government.
(spoilered to protect the 'more government' voters from their wishes)

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

[JimC]

The Mueller Investigation, while not stating so outright, did not exonerate Hermit.

Because I was not under investigation. Well, that is part of the reason anyway.

As a Rationalia moderator, I have the power to pardon Hermit for any crime or misdemeanour whatsoever...

All it takes is a bottle of premium gin...

[Hermit]

I consider some of you arguing at once that the government is corrupt, especially under Trump, while also arguing for more and more government.

Yes, I want more government. While no government is without corrupt politicians, more government does not automatically entail more corruption. The current US presidency is in fact an example of the opposite happening. Government is shrinking while corruption, especially nepotism, is blatant and increasing.

[Hermit]

The Mueller Investigation, while not stating so outright, did not exonerate Hermit.

Because I was not under investigation. Well, that is part of the reason anyway.

As a Rationalia moderator, I have the power to pardon Hermit for any crime or misdemeanour whatsoever...

All it takes is a bottle of premium gin...

I can give you much better gin than that stinky, disgusting tasting liquid.

[Cunt]

Brian Cates has an interesting take on it. I also just listened to a 1 hour interview with Richard Grenell, who has some quirky experience.
Cates is on twitter, if you want to see what he thinks of it. Grenell was an ambassador doing some regular ambassador shit.

When I see the tact, decorum and professionalism shown by the orange, the drunk and the bug-eyed top-level politicians, I want less of it. I do understand why some want more of it though.

[Tero]

Trumpsters in Colorado Springs

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colo ... do-springs

Trump did not carry the state in 2016 so there does not seem to be that much protest, more involved in Bernie vs Biden thing.

[Tero]

Columnist thinks voters want a myth, whether Trump or Sanders

Sanders goes untouched in these debates because the other candidates don’t have a mythic platform from which to launch an attack. Saying his plans cost too much is a pathetic response to a successful myth.

I’ve spent much of this election season away from the campaign rallies and interviewing voters embedded in their normal lives. This week, for example, I was in Compton and Watts in and around Los Angeles. The reality I encounter every day has little to do with the us vs. them stories Trump and Sanders are telling.

Everywhere I go I see systems that are struggling — school systems, housing systems, family structures, neighborhoods trying to bridge diversity. These problems aren’t caused by some group of intentionally evil people. They exist because living through a time of economic, technological, demographic and cultural transition is hard. Creating social trust across diversity is hard.

Everywhere I go I see a process that is the opposite of group vs. group war. It is gathering. It is people becoming extra active on the local level to repair the systems in their lives. I see a great yearning for solidarity, an eagerness to come together and make practical change.

These gathering efforts are hampered by rippers at the national level who stoke rage and fear and tell friend/enemy stories. These efforts are hampered by men like Sanders and Trump who have never worked within a party or subordinated themselves to a team — men who are one trick ponies. All they do is stand on a podium and bellow.

In the gathering myth, the heroes have traits Trump and Sanders lack: open-mindedness, flexibility, listening skills, team-building skills and basic human warmth. In this saga, leaders are measured by their ability to expand relationships, not wall them off.

The gathering myth is an alternative myth — one that has the advantage of being true.


By David Brooks
Opinion Columnist

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/opin ... e=Homepage

[Tero]

This happened with all the Democrats in December. When the impeachment got filed, Trump got a few percent sympathy vote. Looks like the "they are undoing the 2016 election" myth was working

[Tero]

Looking at Trump alone, his popularity went up 1% during Iowa, from 42% to 43% but is on its way down to 42% again.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

[Cunt]

Conspiracy theorists still say the Russians swung the 2016 election in Trump's favour.

They insist that the Russians are going to help him steal 2020.

So many holes in that story...first off, were they on vacation during 2018?

More important, why would Putin want Trump over Sanders? Trump sanctions Russia, arms their enemies in Ukraine, and bullied Putin into suppressing the infamous 'pee-pee tape'.

[Tero]

Conspiracy theorists still say the Russians swung the 2016 election in Trump's favour.

They insist that the Russians are going to help him steal 2020.

So many holes in that story...first off, were they on vacation during 2018?

More important, why would Putin want Trump over Sanders? Trump sanctions Russia, arms their enemies in Ukraine, and bullied Putin into suppressing the infamous 'pee-pee tape'x.

Other than pee pee tape, Read the Mueller report.

[Joe]

Even pee-pee tape. One of the footnotes, 112 on page 27 of Volume II.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Conspiracy theorists still say the Russians swung the 2016 election in Trump's favour.

They insist that the Russians are going to help him steal 2020.

So many holes in that story...first off, were they on vacation during 2018?

More important, why would Putin want Trump over Sanders? Trump sanctions Russia, arms their enemies in Ukraine, and bullied Putin into suppressing the infamous 'pee-pee tape'.

Believes in QAnon while claiming that US intelligence agencies are 'conspiracy theorists.'

Cites RT but is apparently unaware that RT regularly puts out material supporting Trump. Not to mention television shows in Russia that also regularly praise Trump (an instance, but there are plenty of them).

Too busy watching Tim Pool and reading right wing blogs to have noticed 'Mattis: Russia tried to interfere in 2018 midterms'.

Yeah, OK