What if Vegans are Actually Right?

[rainbow]

The internet tells me there's kosher McDonalds in Israel and New York btw.

I once had a really good vegan burger at McDonalds in Mumbai.

[Brian Peacock]

You're so well-travelled rainbow.

[Scot Dutchy]

Where did you pick that up Brian. No source? It says nothing. The usual gaffs that vegans come out with and no answers.

What are you disputing exactly?

I have said it so often Brian: Veganism is an environmental damaging fad that is being exploited by all and sundry as the Burger King ad proves.

Did you even read my comments about soya production, animal agriculture, over production, resource use, global malnutrition and hunger, and the error in talking about the environmental effects of large-scale soya production only in terms of vegan consumption without accounting for wider structural macroceconomic factors or the fact that the vast majority of soya production goes to animal feed? In other words I think you have to do more work to maintain your claim that vegans are responsible for the environmental consequences of soya production than simply asserting it.

What you seam to miss is that without the large scale soya production vegans would be hard pushed to even afford their vegan fad. They live on the coattails of American beef producers which is pure irony.

[Brian Peacock]

Where did you pick that up Brian. No source? It says nothing. The usual gaffs that vegans come out with and no answers.

What are you disputing exactly?

I have said it so often Brian: Veganism is an environmental damaging fad that is being exploited by all and sundry as the Burger King ad proves.

Did you even read my comments about soya production, animal agriculture, over production, resource use, global malnutrition and hunger, and the error in talking about the environmental effects of large-scale soya production only in terms of vegan consumption without accounting for wider structural macroceconomic factors or the fact that the vast majority of soya production goes to animal feed? In other words I think you have to do more work to maintain your claim that vegans are responsible for the environmental consequences of soya production than simply asserting it.

What you seam to miss is that without the large scale soya production vegans would be hard pushed to even afford their vegan fad. They live on the coattails of American beef producers which is pure irony.

OK, so you're choosing to ignore all that stuff. But you'll still have to support your claim that vegans rely on soya to the extent that veganism can and is only maintained by buying and consuming soya-based products. As you know I'm a vegetarian and no processed foods go in my shopping basket. No veggie burgers, no soya sausages, no quorn nuggets etc. There's no shortage of fresh fruit and veg, pulses, cereals, nuts and seeds available at the supermarket to meet all my nutritional needs - cheese is a bonus! You're also ignoring that soya derivatives are a component in a lot of foodstuffs that aren't vegan - and who buys those eh?

[rainbow]

You're so well-travelled rainbow.

Easy to be vegan in India.

[JimC]

You're so well-travelled rainbow.

Easy to be vegan in India.

To the tune of that well known Monty Python song:

"Every cow is sacred..."

[laklak]

Cannibalism is most definitely an ethical practice. We all know there are way too many fucking ground apes about, shitting all over the show and fouling the air, water, and soil. The most ethical thing we can do is reduce the number of ground apes. This is why I vote for Trump, because he's far more likely to seriously reduce the global population than some wimp-ass queef like Bernie. Next to that, the best thing anyone can do is kill and eat other ground apes.

[Brian Peacock]

[Seabass]

Cannibalism is most definitely an ethical practice. We all know there are way too many fucking ground apes about, shitting all over the show and fouling the air, water, and soil. The most ethical thing we can do is reduce the number of ground apes. This is why I vote for Trump, because he's far more likely to seriously reduce the global population than some wimp-ass queef like Bernie. Next to that, the best thing anyone can do is kill and eat other ground apes.

You should start attending Trump rallies holding a "Cannibals for Trump" sign. You can stand next to that white lady with the "Blacks for Trump" sign.

[Svartalf]

Well, to mention a cartoon some of you may have seen, if you are what you eat, only cannibals are really humans, trumpists are bovine and vagans are vegetables.

[pErvinalia]

Vegans are veginas.

[Svartalf]

I'm not effing that with you wang mate

[JimC]

Brian Peacock wrote:

Some vegans who choose to eat at Burger King might be OK with it because their focus is not on meat as a moral contaminant or poison but on the animal welfare, social justice, environmental and/or macroeconomic issues associated with animal agriculture. Other vegans, particular the so-called Vegan™ vegans, are far more militant and focus almost entirely on policing the shopping habits and consumption of other vegans where not only meat but the non-meat products of companies associated with meat production are treated as a moral containment or poison. It takes all sorts. I reckon most vegans will probably avoid Burger King because of their unavoidable association with animal agriculture even though, like McDonalds, Burger King also serve a number of items which they say are suitable for vegan.

What is clear though from the comments is that the 'story', that vegans are somehow outraged by the burger, is false, but it still offers a chance to vilify vegans as a whole as irrational or deluded or akin to religious extremists eh?

You make some valid points, and whether people, vegan or not, eat the burger is probably affected by many different motivations. However, it still seems that one of the reasons for rejecting it, for some vegans at least, is the irrational "contamination" issue; it is valid to criticise this motivation as being as weird as some orthodox Jewish practices to do with food...

[rainbow]

You make some valid points, and whether people, vegan or not, eat the burger is probably affected by many different motivations. However, it still seems that one of the reasons for rejecting it, for some vegans at least, is the irrational "contamination" issue; it is valid to criticise this motivation as being as weird as some orthodox Jewish practices to do with food...

In Scotland they do not tolerate their food being contaminated with vegetables.

Neeps and tatties, excepted

[Scot Dutchy]

To true rainbow. The only country I know where you can buy a quarter cabbage.