All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:19 pm

Trump is working to disprove the idea that a president has little direct effect on economic trends in the US. His 'good and easy to win' trade wars are screwing up more than one economic sector. The article talks about possible affects from this on swing state voting in the presidential election, but I wouldn't bet on that.

'"An existential political risk": Trump manufactures a swing-state problem'
Donald Trump shocked the world and won the White House in 2016 on bold promises to bring greatness back to the industrial Midwest.

But his promise now faces a brutal reality: The U.S. manufacturing sector is spiraling into recession, victimized by Trump’s trade wars and sagging confidence among corporate executives who have little idea how to plan for an uncertain economic future.

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Trump’s trade battle with China has also slammed rural states where farmers have been unable to sell soybeans and other products into one of their biggest markets. Trump has responded by moving to dole out $30 billion in bailout money and praising “patriot farmers.” Many of the states hit by the drop in agriculture exports like Indiana, Nebraska and Kansas are solid Trump country. Others like Iowa could be a problem for the campaign.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:56 pm

It's a perfect political narrative: "The Chinese are stealing your jobs therefore tariffs." And when sectors fall into recession and people get laid off, "See, I told you the Chinese are stealing your jobs."
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:04 pm

US manufacturing has been in decline for ages. It's remarkable that we can continue to assert with every election that we just need the right leader to fix things. Perhaps it's wrong to say the president doesn't have much influence. But I've yet to read anything more than assertions to the opposite. (I'm sure a substantial argument has been made and that I just have not run into it) Whereas anyone wishing to argue the president is irrelevant has only to look at manufacturing numbers against presidents to see that many other factors most likely determine its course.

Something interesting I read the last time this discussion came up dealt with manufacturing vs manufacturing employment. Supposedly we still make a lot of things but employment has declined for a long time. That too is debatable though with some claiming that a few relatively strong sectors skew the overall picture which in reality shows a decline not just in employment but output as well.

For our purposes though it isn't important what it's doing, just that it has been doing it regardless of who's sitting in the White House. --cue the "that's because they're all the same" arguments... :biggrin:
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Post by Tero » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:10 am

The products and quality could improve. But all modernized plants then are more automated. Less jobs.

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Post by Seabass » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:27 am

Take It From a Former Moonie: Trump Is a Cult Leader

On the afternoon of Nov. 18, 1978, Jim Jones called his followers to the central pavilion of Jonestown, a sprawling outpost in the jungles of Guyana, and ordered them to drink a lethal mixture of cyanide and fruit punch. Over 900 people perished that day, more than a third of them children. As he lay dying of a bullet wound to the head—a less painful way to go than cyanide and one that he probably orchestrated—Jones told his followers that it was “all the media’s fault. Don’t believe them.”

Those words, uttered so long ago, sound disturbingly familiar as we approach the 41st anniversary of Jonestown. We have a president who regularly disparages and blames the media, calling it “fake,” “false,” and “phony,” and who calls journalists “enemies of the people”—epithets that seem especially frenzied in the wake of the whistleblower complaint and the launching of the House impeachment inquiry. It might seem an outrageous proposition to compare Donald Trump to a murderous cult leader. And yet there are alarming parallels. Like Jones and other cult leaders, Trump exhibits features of what psychologist Erich Fromm called “malignant narcissism”—bombastic grandiosity, a bottomless need for praise, lack of empathy, pathological lying, apparent sadism, and paranoia. In short, he fits the stereotypical psychological profile of a cult leader.

I have seen that profile up close. Over 40 years ago, while a junior in college, I was recruited into a destructive mind control cult, the Unification Church, popularly known as the Moonies after its leader, Sun Myung Moon. I rose rapidly through the ranks and was invited to attend meetings with Moon and his top aides, where we knelt and bowed to our leader Moon. Two years later, after three days straight of leading a fundraising team—selling flowers on street corners—I fell asleep at the wheel and woke up as I plowed into the back of an 18 wheeler. Fortunately, I survived. My family hired deprogrammers and, after five days, I realized I had been brainwashed.

Since then, I have devoted myself to studying mind control cults and helping families rescue loved ones from their clutches. I have learned that mind control is not a vague, mystical process but, instead, is the result of a concrete and specific and systematic set of methods and techniques. Cult leaders may seem crazy, but they are cunning masters of manipulation, employing an arsenal of these techniques to render their followers dependent and obedient. It’s what I call the cult leader’s playbook.

As I argue in my upcoming book, The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How The President Uses Mind Control (Simon & Schuster), Trump has gotten where he is today in large part because he has exploited tactics straight out of that playbook. These include his grandiose claims, his practice of sowing confusion, his demand for absolute loyalty, his tendency to lie and create alternative “facts” and realities, his shunning and belittling of critics and ex-believers, and his cultivating of an “us versus them” mindset. These are the same methods used by Moon, Jones, and other cult leaders such as L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Lyndon LaRouche (LaRouche PAC), and, most recently, convicted trafficking felon Keith Raniere (NXVIM).

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:51 am

This is probably a damn sight nearer the truth:

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:19 am

The crybabies of the left just can't take a joke.

'Video Played at Trump Resort Portrays Him Murdering Media, Opponents'
A conference for President Trump’s supporters at his Miami resort featured a violent video mashup that portrays him shooting, stabbing, and assaulting members of the news media and his critics—including the late Sen. John McCain and former President Obama. The New York Times was sent the disturbing footage that was played last week at the American Priority gathering at Trump National Doral, which the conference organizer has now disavowed.

The newspaper said it appears someone edited a massacre scene from the movie Kingsman: The Secret Service and superimposed Trump’s head on a gunman who goes on a rampage in “The Church of Fake News.” Parishioners were labeled as media organizations or political opponents. “He hits the television personality Rosie O’Donnell in the face and then stabs her in the head,” according to the Times’ description. “He strikes Representative Maxine Waters, Democrat of California. He lights the head of Senator Bernie Sanders, a Democratic presidential rival, on fire.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:45 am

Trump 50 billion to China is twice the "normal" number of farm exports
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Post by Tero » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:11 am

In the video, a man with Trump’s head superimposed on his body goes into a building labeled the “Church of Fake News” where people inside are labeled with logos of major news outlets including Vox, Politico, the Washington Post, HuffPost, ABC and NBC covering their heads. Trump then opens fire, killing numerous media outlets including Vox, Politico and NPR, in addition to activist group Black Lives Matter. The fake Trump begins his rampage using a gun but later switches to a wooden stake and a knife. Also in the video are Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, John McCain and Rosie O’Donnell — all of them are slaughtered by the killer Trump. The mass murder ends with the president driving a wooden stake into the head of a person depicted as the church’s minister with a CNN logo covering their face as DJ Khaled’s “All I Do Is Win” plays in the background.

The footage, the Times said, was taken and doctored from a church massacre scene in the dark comedy “Kingsman: The Secret Service.”
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:26 pm

Jeff T:mister president sir, why is Turkey dictating US foreign policy? asking for 65 million friends and more than a few formerly-breathing Kurds

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:27 pm

On a poll of what will Trump do after the so called presidency:

What will Trump do after the Presidency?
25 to life
18 holes every day
Shack up with a teenage girl
Declare bankruptcy and die in poverty
Return to The Apprentice
Move in next to the Obamas or Clintons and harass them
Move to Mexico
Flee to Planet X

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