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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by JimC » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:46 pm

If they meant that he's just a joke, perhaps...
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Svartalf » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:49 pm

I"ve seen unfunny jokes, never evil ones. so he's more of a nasty prank.
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:51 am

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Quite the challenge to the system to even serve Trump papers. Barr was the one brilliant move by Trump, but even he is just stalling now.

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:13 pm

Impeachment improves Trump standing in his base. Effect on independents not clear. Conclusion: Impeachement either does NOTHING or loses Trump several percentage points.

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:47 pm

So if the House votes to impeach, the Republican controlled Senate set the ground rules. And Trump gets to confront and cross examine the witnesses personally on Live TV. This trial is going to look like a campaign rally.

No 5th Amendment bullshit or 'too busy'. You are forced to testify. Ol' Congressman Schiff (chairman of the House Intelligence Committee) is a material witness as the whistle blower went to his office first. Compelling him under oath and being questioned by Trump would be :funny:
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:32 pm

It's Trump who is going to take the 5th!
:funny:
The Senate only votes. The House interrogates.

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:49 pm

Tero wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:32 pm
It's Trump who is going to take the 5th!
:funny:
The Senate only votes. The House interrogates.
That's not how things work.

The House acts as grand jury, gathers initial evidence and lays the actual charge.
The Senate .... oh you know how the rest goes.
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:48 pm

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Democrats accused President Trump of hiding information about his efforts to make military aide and other U.S. support to Ukraine conditioned upon those investigations. Democrats had earlier said that any attempt to block statements from witnesses, including Sondland, could constitute an impeachable act.

Sondland was scheduled to be deposed Tuesday morning , his lawyer, Robert Luskin, said in a statement.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo last week rebuked efforts by the committees to interview Sondland and other officials, saying Democratic lawmakers had “harassed and abused State Department employees” by contacting them directly.

Gordon Sondland was planned to be deposed Tuesday about his activities as President Trump urged Ukraine to investigate his political opponents. The Trump administration blocked the deposition. (Daniel Mihailescu/Afp Via Getty Images)
Gordon Sondland was planned to be deposed Tuesday about his activities as President Trump urged Ukraine to investigate his political opponents. The Trump administration blocked the deposition. (Daniel Mihailescu/Afp Via Getty Images)
But Sondland was willing to testify and didn’t appear on Tuesday at the direction of the State Department, Luskin said.

Sondland was ready to squeal!

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:58 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:49 pm
Tero wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:32 pm
It's Trump who is going to take the 5th!
:funny:
The Senate only votes. The House interrogates.
That's not how things work.

The House acts as grand jury, gathers initial evidence and lays the actual charge.
The Senate .... ohq you know how the rest goes.
Er, like I said the House interrogates even if they sit in the Senate:

The Senate trial began on January 7, 1999, with Chief Justice of the United States William Rehnquist presiding. The first day consisted of formal presentation of the charges against Clinton, and of Rehnquist swearing in all arguants in the trial.

Thirteen House Republicans from the Judiciary Committee served as "managers", the equivalent of prosecutors: Henry Hyde (chairman), Jim Sensenbrenner, Bill McCollum, George Gekas, Charles Canady, Steve Buyer, Ed Bryant, Steve Chabot, Bob Barr, Asa Hutchinson, Chris Cannon, James E. Rogan and Lindsey Graham.

Clinton was defended by Cheryl Mills. Clinton's counsel staff included Charles Ruff, David E. Kendall, Dale Bumpers, Bruce Lindsey, Nicole Seligman, Lanny A. Breuer and Gregory B. Craig.[25]

A resolution on rules and procedure for the trial was adopted unanimously on the following day; however, senators tabled the question of whether to call witnesses in the trial. The trial remained in recess while briefs were filed by the House (January 11) and Clinton (January...)
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:59 pm

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:33 am

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The House debates the resolution and may at the conclusion consider the resolution as a whole or vote on each article of impeachment individually. A simple majority of those present and voting is required for each article for the resolution as a whole to pass. If the House votes to impeach, managers (typically referred to as "House managers", with a "lead House manager") are selected to present the case to the Senate. Recently, managers have been selected by resolution, while historically the House would occasionally elect the managers or pass a resolution allowing the appointment of managers at the discretion of the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. These managers are roughly the equivalent of the prosecution or district attorney in a standard criminal trial.

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:56 am

July 1974, House committee hearings were televised:
During the hearings, President Nixon attempted to preserve his support in the House by wooing senior figures there, including some conservative Democrats, by inviting them to White House functions or evening cruises on the presidential yacht USS Sequoia.[77] At the same time, statements from White House officials grew increasingly more scathing, the overall impeachment inquiry was derided as a "partisan witch-hunt" and the committee's proceedings derided as "a kangaroo court."[78]

(Wiki)
So will Trump committee hearings be televised

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Representative Barbara Jordan (left) became nationally known for her eloquence during the Judiciary Committee's impeachment hearings
The televised coverage of committee hearings resumed on July 24.[79] The commercial broadcast networks televised the evening sessions while PBS broadcast the morning and afternoon sessions as well;[80] this was after considerable debate about whether such broadcasts were a good idea.[79] The first broadcast was an evening session of the committee on the evening of the 24th and started two days of televised opening-statements by committee members. In total there were six days of 13 hours-per-day of televised coverage, watched by millions of Americans.[80] On the afternoon of Friday, July 26, television viewers watched live as the first Article of Impeachment was read into the record against the President.

On July 25, 1974, Texas Democrat Barbara Jordan delivered a fifteen-minute televised speech before the House Judiciary Committee supporting the impeachment process.[81][82] Jordan's statement on the articles of impeachment is thought to be one of the best speeches of the 20th century and earned Jordan national praise for her rhetoric, morals, and wisdom.[83][81]

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:32 am

Deep state functioning so poorly that Trump is still president:
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidwohl/st ... 9850217478

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:22 pm

I and about 10 000 others reported Trump for harassment with this fake facts tweet. Harassment of Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4369544198

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