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Re: Celebrity Sexual Harassment Charge Sheet

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:38 am

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But really, the age of consent in Switzerland until recently was 16, it was raised under pressure from Hillary Clinton. In France it is still 15, I believe. 17 is not such a big deal! Of course it is different if money changes hands and if the young women were really slaves held in captivity. Now some charity has struck him out as a mecenate, what is this supposed to accomplish?
But this isn't about the legal age of consent is it, it's about the abuse of power and the sexual exploitation of those without it - that is: the sexual exploitation of girls and young women by rich and powerful middle-aged and elderly men.
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Re: Celebrity Sexual Harassment Charge Sheet

Post by JimC » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:23 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:38 am
DRSB wrote:
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But really, the age of consent in Switzerland until recently was 16, it was raised under pressure from Hillary Clinton. In France it is still 15, I believe. 17 is not such a big deal! Of course it is different if money changes hands and if the young women were really slaves held in captivity. Now some charity has struck him out as a mecenate, what is this supposed to accomplish?
But this isn't about the legal age of consent is it, it's about the abuse of power and the sexual exploitation of those without it - that is: the sexual exploitation of girls and young women by rich and powerful middle-aged and elderly men.
I know it's arbitrary, but let's take the example of a girl/young woman who is 18. She attracts the attention of an older sugar daddy (not one in a position of authority over her, like a teacher or lecturer), and is pampered and showered with gifts in exchange for sex, and is pretty happy with the deal. Is this abuse of power?
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Re: Celebrity Sexual Harassment Charge Sheet

Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:49 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:38 am
DRSB wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:05 am
But really, the age of consent in Switzerland until recently was 16, it was raised under pressure from Hillary Clinton. In France it is still 15, I believe. 17 is not such a big deal! Of course it is different if money changes hands and if the young women were really slaves held in captivity. Now some charity has struck him out as a mecenate, what is this supposed to accomplish?
But this isn't about the legal age of consent is it, it's about the abuse of power and the sexual exploitation of those without it - that is: the sexual exploitation of girls and young women by rich and powerful middle-aged and elderly men.
Yes, true. However, what about those that just like partying around the rich and famous (obtaining goodies in the process optional)? Some men are middle-aged and elderly but some are young and handsome (a matter of perception to some extent). Easy to reframe these as fairy tales with princes, pun intended.

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Post by Rum » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:11 am

But that is exactly how sexual exploitation (of the young) begins. Little rewards for small favours but leading up to a sense of obligation because of how much the girls feel they owe, and ultimately a dependent relationship with the exploiter. The recent child exploitation cases here involving gangs of (mostly Pakistani) men worked exactly that way. It included creating drug dependency.

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Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:18 am

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But that is exactly how sexual exploitation (of the young) begins. Little rewards for small favours but leading up to a sense of obligation because of how much the girls feel they owe, and ultimately a dependent relationship with the exploiter. The recent child exploitation cases here involving gangs of (mostly Pakistani) men worked exactly that way. It included creating drug dependency.
True. Children are children. At some point people become their own person though. Young women can be exploited by men and women of the same age too. Exploitation is bad but where does it begin and at what point the consent stops and is it irreversible and who is under-age is also apparently debatable, depending on the country.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:38 am

In Epstein's case, it wasn't that he was simply flirting with girls and young women willingly engaging in a mutual relationship with him personally, he was grooming them to be the sexual chattel of his friends and business acquaintances - and then using those associations for personal gain and financial leverage.
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Epstein yes, but Andrew?

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:39 am

Does it matter if Andrew was the pimp or the John?
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Re: Celebrity Sexual Harassment Charge Sheet

Post by Rum » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:06 am

DRSB wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:18 am
Rum wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:11 am
But that is exactly how sexual exploitation (of the young) begins. Little rewards for small favours but leading up to a sense of obligation because of how much the girls feel they owe, and ultimately a dependent relationship with the exploiter. The recent child exploitation cases here involving gangs of (mostly Pakistani) men worked exactly that way. It included creating drug dependency.
True. Children are children. At some point people become their own person though. Young women can be exploited by men and women of the same age too. Exploitation is bad but where does it begin and at what point the consent stops and is it irreversible and who is under-age is also apparently debatable, depending on the country.
The ‘age of consent’, I would argue, is not really relevant in these scenarios. The key factors is the exploitation by a person with a great deal of power and influence over someone with little and who may be vulnerable.

We know quite a lot about the child exploitation gangs in some of our northern cities now. The age of their victims was anything from ten to 16 or 17. The ‘relationships’ usually started with friendly overtones, little gifts, lots of flattery and so on. The kids were also targeted in terms of weak family support. A friendly father figure saying nice things about you and gradually leading up a steady incline towards ‘returning the favour’ seemed to be the path. Eventually the relationships become brutal, drugs can get involved. Dependency is created.

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Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:36 pm

True, this happens and is probably the case more often than not. Still, there are cases where the ladies are thrilled to be invited to these glamorous parties and can see the involvement as a fairy tale. Boris Nemtsov's last girlfriend for example: a classical set-up, they met at a yacht party, I am sure she was thrilled to be on board. They had a relationship of a sort that did look like a booty call thing, he bought her an apartment in Kiev though, you may say she was an off-loader, thing is, her mother said "My kid is in love". Of course if she was being paid by a pimp to be with him, this is different, but it may just have been a consensual friends with benefits situation where a young woman is thrilled to be the muse of a prominent and powerful man and both enjoy the benefits while they last.

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Post by Tero » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:08 pm

Sometimes you are just your own pimp. More cash for you in the end.

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Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:23 pm

Tero wrote:
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Sometimes you are just your own pimp. More cash for you in the end.
Seen this in corporate life, men pimp themselves as well.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:13 am

I don't know whether anybody here is even aware of the Vic Mignogna case. He's a voice actor who's made a point of his Christian beliefs over the years. Also apparently has a thing for underage girls. He reached what will probably be the apex of his career not long ago, being cast as the lead in the dubbed version of the Dragon Ball Z movie that was released early this year.

Things have gone sharply downhill for him since then, with fellow cast members making statements against him and previous victims of his molesting ways coming forward. He of course got strong support from the usual Gamergate/alt-right crowd, including a healthy GoFundMe account to which they contributed. He filed a lawsuit against a couple of the cast members and the animation company that put out the Dragon Ball film, which was dismissed this past Friday.

'Judge Delivers Rulings in Vic Mignogna's Funimation Lawsuit'
On Friday, a Texas district court judge made a series of rulings in Dragon Ball Super: Broly voice actor Vic Mignogna's defamation lawsuit against the anime dubbing and distribution company, Funimation, along with two other voice actors (Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi) and the fiance of one of the actors (Ronald Toye, fiance of Rial) who made public statements regarding sexual harassment allegations against Mignogna.

Among the rulings by Judge John P. Chupp in Tarrant County District Court were: 1. to dismiss all claims against voice actor Jamie Marchi (who voices Marcarita in Dragon Ball Super; 2. to dismiss the claims against Funimation for tortious interference and civil conspiracy and 3. to dismiss the claims of tortious interference of existing contracts and tortious interference of business relations against voice actor Monica Rial and her fiance, Ron Toye.

Funimation and the other three defendants filed their motions to dismiss in Texas as part of the Texas Citizens Participation Act (TCPA), which is a Texas state law designed to combat so-called "SLAPP" lawsuits. SLAPP stands for Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation. It refers to lawsuits designed specifically to silence critics of an individual or an organization by forcing the critics to go to court to defend their actions. The TCPA requires plaintiffs to pay legal fees and fines (large enough to deter the plaintiff from trying it again) when the court determines that they did, in fact, file the lawsuit in an attempt to silence a critic. The dismissal of the claims against Marchi likely means Mignogna will have to pay her legal costs and a fine.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:42 am

No charges have been brought against Mignogna specific to the sexual harassment allegations, right?
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