Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

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Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by Animavore » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:16 pm

Woooooo-wooooooo

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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by AshtonBlack » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:28 pm

Not a bad vid but,

If the emergent properties that he ascribes to "mind" from brain, that leaves the soul with? Nothing.

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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by The Curious Squid » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:30 pm

Isn't that how it should be?

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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by AshtonBlack » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:31 pm

Paco wrote:Isn't that how it should be?

Souls don't exist in Paco land.
Nor in Blackville.

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Post by ScholasticSpastic » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:44 am

Spaztowne is full of soul. But not the spirit kind. :cool:
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I prefer plaice. :tea:
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Post by AshtonBlack » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:46 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I prefer plaice. :tea:
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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by The Curious Squid » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:42 pm

Animavore wrote:Woooooo-wooooooo

I've only just actually watched that video ani, it was really well done. I like having complicated subjects broken down and delivered in such an easily digestible manner. It's almost like you're brain willingly wants to absorb what he's saying more readily because he sounds so calm and sure of what he's saying.
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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:44 pm

Paco wrote:
Animavore wrote:Woooooo-wooooooo

I've only just actually watched that video ani, it was really well done. I like having complicated subjects broken down and delivered in such an easily digestible manner. It's almost like you're brain willingly wants to absorb what he's saying more readily because he sounds so calm and sure of what he's saying.
I forgot to watch it after I posted it :oops:

This guy is brilliant in general so I had no doubt it would be good. Check his other videos. He's only on YouTube a few months and fast gaining prestige. Some say he's the next Tf00t.
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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by The Curious Squid » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:51 pm

Who is it?
We have no great war, no great depression.
Our great war is a spiritual war.
Our great depression is our lives.
JimC wrote:Ratz is just beautiful... :woot:

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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:56 pm

Paco wrote:Who is it?
C0nc0rdance.
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Post by AshtonBlack » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:04 pm

His work on the evolution of the eye is astounding.

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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by FBM » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:27 pm

AshtonBlack wrote:Not a bad vid but,

If the emergent properties that he ascribes to "mind" from brain, that leaves the soul with? Nothing.
Emergent properties are simply phenomena, i.e., behavior of substances. They don't have independent existence. The mind doesn't have any existence independent of the matter from which it emerges. Strictly speaking, neither mind nor soul have ever been directly observed. 'Mind' is a convenient label we use to refer to an organizing principle behind the behavior of a person, but the source of that behavior, its organizing principle, is clearly the organization of the organic activity of brain substance. 'Soul' has no place in the equation at all, as it has neither been observed nor explains anything, nor is it the product of necessary inference, as are subatomic particles.

Good vid, ani. :td:
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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by Mr P » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:45 pm

Gilbert Ryle coined the phrase ghost in the machine in his book Concept of Mind as a derogatory term to describe dualism. The book was written in 1949 yet it's only now that his ideas are gaining prominence, mainly thanks to the likes of Dan Dennett and advances in neuro science supporting many of his ideas.

As Dennett says in his introduction to the new edition "it's one of the most underrated works of philosophy of the 20th century".

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Re: Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?

Post by Animavore » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:50 pm

Mr P wrote:Gilbert Ryle coined the phrase ghost in the machine in his book Concept of Mind as a derogatory term to describe dualism. The book was written in 1949 yet it's only now that his ideas are gaining prominence, mainly thanks to the likes of Dan Dennett and advances in neuro science supporting many of his ideas.

As Dennett says in his introduction to the new edition "it's one of the most underrated works of philosophy of the 20th century".
I believe the phrase actually comes from ancient Greece, deus ex machina, it was literally a machine, a crane that would lower people dressed as gods on to a stage during a play for the purpose of narration.

Unless you mean that Gilbert Ryle was the first to use it in the sense of the idea of a soul that controls a meat puppet?
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