The Arms Trade

[Rum]

Well that is YHO. I disagree. We are talking about so called civilised societies. If of course you would want to include the USA which of course you will shortly join.

Your logic is simply incorrect. America may be tolerant of high levels of aggression, but if you look at the country dispassionately it is not nearly as violent as many taken as a whole. It’s society is based to a great extent on competition and ‘winning’ and it tolerates too much in pursuit of those things I will grant you.

You are suggesting a corollary between levels of domestic violence (as in societal) and warlike behaviour on the basis that the Netherlands is a peaceful society and it is not participating in any military adventures. You are then suggesting because your perception of America is that it is domestically violent (which it is only middlingly) it explains its record for international military activity. The comparison simply doesn’t hold water because there are far more domestically violent countries with little or no history of overseas military adventuring.

Of course you have made up your mind on the basis of your prejudices so all you can respond with is ‘I disagree’.

[pErvinalia]

Just troll the cunt. There's no point trying to reason with him.

[Brian Peacock]

I'd rather this discussion focused on the topic.

[pErvinalia]

I'd rather you suck on my wrinkled scrotum.

[Scot Dutchy]

Well that is YHO. I disagree. We are talking about so called civilised societies. If of course you would want to include the USA which of course you will shortly join.

Your logic is simply incorrect. America may be tolerant of high levels of aggression, but if you look at the country dispassionately it is not nearly as violent as many taken as a whole. It’s society is based to a great extent on competition and ‘winning’ and it tolerates too much in pursuit of those things I will grant you.

I dont think the high levels of aggression are tolerated. It is an extremely violent society. It has only had three years of peace in its entire history. Social competition is fierce this generates strong feeling of intolerance to other societies especially those it presumes are opposed to it.

You are suggesting a corollary between levels of domestic violence (as in societal) and warlike behaviour on the basis that the Netherlands is a peaceful society and it is not participating in any military adventures. You are then suggesting because your perception of America is that it is domestically violent (which it is only middlingly) it explains its record for international military activity. The comparison simply doesn’t hold water because there are far more domestically violent countries with little or no history of overseas military adventuring.

Of course you have made up your mind on the basis of your prejudices so all you can respond with is ‘I disagree’.

Once again the prejudices are on your side. I never once mentioned the Netherlands. That is a presumption on your part. It is not a perception but pure fact. There are few countries that reach the level of social violence which is not domestic violence btw. Also there are very few countries with that level of social violence and international aggression that have the wealth to purchase arms to fuel this aggression. We are talking here about extremes of aggression as averages are of little consequence.

It suits the arms industry to have that level of social violence and aggression to other countries. Without it they could not sell the quantities they do. That is why the NRA is so rich and powerful.

If America did not exist or its international attitude was the reverse would there be so many arms in world?

[Rum]

You are correct that I made the sssumption that the Netherlands (oh wondrous land of perfection) was part of your ‘model’ in this hypothesis. Turns out I was right to, yes?

As to the rest, well you fail to make any kind of logical case. There is no evidence for your assumption that the highly competitive nature of American society translates into intolerance for and a willing to engage with other countries militarily.

And of course we come to the point that the countries which are the biggest arms traders - indeed in the top five, include Germany, France and Russia (the Russiayou are so fond of insisting is a victim of the west). Not sure how their ‘belligerent’ attitudes translate..

[laklak]

Turns out the Netherlands is the 10th largest arms exporter in the world, and it's exports have increased by 14% between 2008-2012. Top clients are Jordan, Indonesia, and the U.S. The Netherlands produces 2.1% of total world arms exports while having approximately 0.0021% of world population.

https://www.businessinsider.com/top-cou ... les-2018-3

[Rum]

That can’t be right. If you are then SD is wrong...which can’t possibly be right.

[Seabass]

I'm surprised the Netherlands isn't #1 arms seller. Don't people know that Dutch arms are the best arms in the world?

[Sean Hayden]

If I'm going to be slaughtered, I hope to see before I die that it was Dutch who done it. --cross my heart

[Scot Dutchy]

Turns out the Netherlands is the 10th largest arms exporter in the world, and it's exports have increased by 14% between 2008-2012. Top clients are Jordan, Indonesia, and the U.S. The Netherlands produces 2.1% of total world arms exports while having approximately 0.0021% of world population.

https://www.businessinsider.com/top-cou ... les-2018-3

he US sold weapons to at least 98 countries between 2013 and 2017.

Its largest clients were: Saudia Arabia (18% of all sales), UAE (7.4% of all sales), and Australia (6.7% of all sales).

The US accounted for 34% of all exports and its exports increased by 25% compared to 2008-2012.

The US continues to export weapons to Saudi Arabia, despite its controversial war in Yemen.

We dont quite match up do we. But who is talking about the Netherlands?

Just Rum and his fanciful ideas. Never mentioned this country so what is this about lak? A derail. Just like Rum.

Just attacking the poster not the posting?

[Scot Dutchy]

That can’t be right. If you are then SD is wrong...which can’t possibly be right.

Another personal attack. You just cant help yourself can you. Did I make any claim about this country. Pathetic as always Mr Mondeo man.

[Sean Hayden]

What is a Mondeo man already!?

[Rum]

That can’t be right. If you are then SD is wrong...which can’t possibly be right.

Another personal attack. You just cant help yourself can you. Did I make any claim about this country. Pathetic as always Mr Mondeo man.

You can’t take a compliment can you?

[Scot Dutchy]

A typicaly average/boring British man who would steroetypicaly live in Kent, own a semi-detatched house, have a wife, two kids and a Ford Mondeo.

Rum moved slightly upmarket able to buy a detached house in rural Carlisle but it is basically the same.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... ndeo%20man