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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:57 am

rainbow wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:54 am
Forty Two wrote:
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Yeah, so does Apple, Starbucks, Pfizer, Boeing.... Pepsi, Procter&Gamble, McDonald's, Mondelez International, General Motors, Johnson & Johnson, Cargill, Alcoa, General Electric....Morgan Stanley....Krispy Kreme, Forever 21, Crate & Barrel....

:fp: Watter, what about what? :fp:


Yebbut when Krispy Kreme becomes the President of US of A, that may be a valid point.

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Oh, so, whether it's wrong, immoral or "treason" to do business in Russia depends on whether a person who is involved in business in Russia runs for President?

Once a person commits that sin, he or she is compromised?

"I want to also thank the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the U.S.-Russia Business Council, the American Chamber of Commerce in Moscow, and all the organizations who helped bring our countries together not just today but every day.

Many of you joined us at the business summit during my visit to Moscow one year ago, and it is good to see you again. I noted then that you’re part of a long tradition of commerce and trade between our peoples. Long before Russia and the United States even exchanged ambassadors, we exchanged goods.

....Some have even wondered whether our Declaration of Independence may have been signed with goose quills from Russia....

Companies represented here today are moving forward with a series of major trade and investment deals that will create jobs for both Americans and Russians across many sectors, from aerospace, to automotive engineering, to the financial sector and high-technology.

I am especially pleased that Boeing and Russian Technologies are moving forward with a $4 billion deal

I believe that Russia belongs in the WTO. That’s good for Russia. It’s good for America. And it is good for the world economy.

... initiative to create a Russian Silicon Valley outside of Moscow. American companies and universities were among the first to invest in this effort. And I’m pleased that a number of you here today are going to be working with it as well....

.... there’s still a lot more that we can do to encourage trade and investment....

.... ultimately, it’s...the private sector, our entrepreneurs -— who create jobs and unleash economic growth. It’s the market that’s been the most powerful force in history for creating opportunity and prosperity....we are going to make even more progress, sell more goods, create more jobs, get more cross-border financing than ever before. " https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/th ... ess-summit

January 24, 2010, remarks by President Barack Obama on the increase in and merits of trade and commerce between the US and Russia, and investment in Russia, as Russia moved toward joining the World Trade Organization (which it did in 2012).

Apparently, not that long ago, it was super-cool and super-patriotic even, to take business and investment to Russia. Even the President said that it was really cool. The President was encouraging people to go do business in Russia. I guess he was encouraging them to disqualify themselves from public office?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Rum » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:12 pm

Oh dear. They’ve gorn and invited the orange one to our fair shores in June. Idiots.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by BarnettNewman » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:18 pm

Forty Two wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:54 am
Forty Two wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:00 am


Yeah, so does Apple, Starbucks, Pfizer, Boeing.... Pepsi, Procter&Gamble, McDonald's, Mondelez International, General Motors, Johnson & Johnson, Cargill, Alcoa, General Electric....Morgan Stanley....Krispy Kreme, Forever 21, Crate & Barrel....

:fp: Watter, what about what? :fp:


Yebbut when Krispy Kreme becomes the President of US of A, that may be a valid point.

:smug:
Oh, so, whether it's wrong, immoral or "treason" to do business in Russia depends on whether a person who is involved in business in Russia runs for President?

Once a person commits that sin, he or she is compromised?

"I want to also thank the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the U.S.-Russia Business Council, the American Chamber of Commerce in Moscow, and all the organizations who helped bring our countries together not just today but every day.

Many of you joined us at the business summit during my visit to Moscow one year ago, and it is good to see you again. I noted then that you’re part of a long tradition of commerce and trade between our peoples. Long before Russia and the United States even exchanged ambassadors, we exchanged goods.

....Some have even wondered whether our Declaration of Independence may have been signed with goose quills from Russia....

Companies represented here today are moving forward with a series of major trade and investment deals that will create jobs for both Americans and Russians across many sectors, from aerospace, to automotive engineering, to the financial sector and high-technology.

I am especially pleased that Boeing and Russian Technologies are moving forward with a $4 billion deal

I believe that Russia belongs in the WTO. That’s good for Russia. It’s good for America. And it is good for the world economy.

... initiative to create a Russian Silicon Valley outside of Moscow. American companies and universities were among the first to invest in this effort. And I’m pleased that a number of you here today are going to be working with it as well....

.... there’s still a lot more that we can do to encourage trade and investment....

.... ultimately, it’s...the private sector, our entrepreneurs -— who create jobs and unleash economic growth. It’s the market that’s been the most powerful force in history for creating opportunity and prosperity....we are going to make even more progress, sell more goods, create more jobs, get more cross-border financing than ever before. " https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/th ... ess-summit

January 24, 2010, remarks by President Barack Obama on the increase in and merits of trade and commerce between the US and Russia, and investment in Russia, as Russia moved toward joining the World Trade Organization (which it did in 2012).

Apparently, not that long ago, it was super-cool and super-patriotic even, to take business and investment to Russia. Even the President said that it was really cool. The President was encouraging people to go do business in Russia. I guess he was encouraging them to disqualify themselves from public office?
You understand what a conflict of interest is, correct?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by rainbow » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:29 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:57 am
rainbow wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:54 am
Forty Two wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:00 am


Yeah, so does Apple, Starbucks, Pfizer, Boeing.... Pepsi, Procter&Gamble, McDonald's, Mondelez International, General Motors, Johnson & Johnson, Cargill, Alcoa, General Electric....Morgan Stanley....Krispy Kreme, Forever 21, Crate & Barrel....

:fp: Watter, what about what? :fp:


Yebbut when Krispy Kreme becomes the President of US of A, that may be a valid point.

:smug:
Oh, so, whether it's wrong, immoral or "treason" to do business in Russia depends on whether a person who is involved in business in Russia runs for President?
FFS, read the TITLE of this THREAD.

...and understand my comments in context of.

It really isn't difficult, you know?

Your continual Yessbuttism is getting tiresome, get it into your head that most people here aren't fooled one bit by this tactic of yours.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by BarnettNewman » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:23 pm

It’s possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen him post. A high school politics course would tell you why it’s wrong.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:14 pm

rainbow wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:29 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:57 am
rainbow wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:54 am
Forty Two wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:00 am


Yeah, so does Apple, Starbucks, Pfizer, Boeing.... Pepsi, Procter&Gamble, McDonald's, Mondelez International, General Motors, Johnson & Johnson, Cargill, Alcoa, General Electric....Morgan Stanley....Krispy Kreme, Forever 21, Crate & Barrel....

:fp: Watter, what about what? :fp:


Yebbut when Krispy Kreme becomes the President of US of A, that may be a valid point.

:smug:
Oh, so, whether it's wrong, immoral or "treason" to do business in Russia depends on whether a person who is involved in business in Russia runs for President?
FFS, read the TITLE of this THREAD.

...and understand my comments in context of.

It really isn't difficult, you know?

Your continual Yessbuttism is getting tiresome, get it into your head that most people here aren't fooled one bit by this tactic of yours.

:smug:
Is it wrong to do business in Russia, or not? Is it wrong to invest in a building construction in Moscow?

Is it immoral?

Is it illegal?

Is it treason?

I didn't say "yesbutt" - the person I responded to me did, though ("yebutt"). So take that up with them.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:16 pm

BarnettNewman wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:23 pm
It’s possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen him post. A high school politics course would tell you why it’s wrong.
Why what, exactly, is "wrong?" And, how is it "wrong?"

I mean, in 2010 and onward, the US government was calling for and encouraging US businesses to do business in Russia, to invest money in Russian projects and ventures, and to increase US business presence in Russia. Was that "wrong?" If so why? If not, why not?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:56 pm

BarnettNewman wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:18 pm

You understand what a conflict of interest is, correct?
Yes.

The New York Times reported in 2015 that "shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Bill Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock, and in total, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One, which was acquired by the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatum.

Clear up for me whether that constitutes a conflict of interest. I don't think so, but perhaps you know better.

Also, what about if Trump explored a deal to build a building in Moscow, but the deal never went through, and had already fallen through by the end of 2015, and no deal was ever completed. Is that wrong? Why? What's the conflict? That Trump might one day again want to build a building in Russia which he isn't now building and does not now have a deal to build?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:07 pm

:lol: But 'the deal' hadn't fallen through in 2015 - Cohen told Mueller he was still actively pursuing it for his boss during the campaign and after the election - and let's not forget that candidate Trump vehemently and consistently lied about this when asked during the campaign, and after he was elected. The Yeahbuttism fails again.
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Post by Joe » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:41 pm

Ah Brian, it was much more than that. Trump actually signed a letter of intent for a Trump Tower Moscow project when he was running for President.
Between approximately October 13, 2015 and November 2, 2015 , the Trump Organization (through its subsidiary Trump Acquisition, LLC) and I.C. Expert completed a letter of intent (LOI) for a Trump Moscow property. The LOI, signed by Trump for the Trump Organization and Rozov on behalf of I.C. Expert, was "intended to facilitate further discussions" in order to "attempt to enter into a mutually acceptable agreement" related to the Trump-branded project in Moscow. The LOI contemplated a development with residential, hotel, commercial, and office components,and called for"[ a]pproximately 250 first class, luxury residential condominiums ," as well as"[ o ]ne first class, luxury hotel consisting of approximately 15 floors and containing not fewer than 150 hotel rooms." For the residential and commercial portions of the project , the Trump Organization would receive between 1 % and 5% of all condominium sales, 322 plus 3% of all rental and other revenue. 323 For the project's hotel portion, the Trump Organization would receive a base fee of 3% of gross operating revenues for the first five years and 4% thereafter , plus a separate incentive fee of 20% of operating profit. Under the LOI, the Trump Organization also would receive a $4 million "up-front fee" prior to groundbreaking. Under these terms, the Trump Organization stood to earn substantial sums over the lifetime of the project, without assuming significant liabilities or financing commitments.

On November 3, 2015, the day after the Trump Organization transmitted the LOI, Sater emailed Cohen suggesting that the Trump Moscow project could be used to increase candidate Trump's chances at being elected, writing:

Buddy our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process .... Michael, Putin gets on stage with Donald for a ribbon cutting for Trump Moscow , and Donald owns the republican nomination. And possibly beats Hillary and our boy is in .. . . We will manage this process better than anyone. You and I will get Donald and Vladimir on a stage together very shortly. That the game changer."
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Seabass » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:55 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:56 pm
BarnettNewman wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:18 pm

You understand what a conflict of interest is, correct?
Yes.

The New York Times reported in 2015 that "shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Bill Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock, and in total, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One, which was acquired by the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatum.

Clear up for me whether that constitutes a conflict of interest. I don't think so, but perhaps you know better.

Also, what about if Trump explored a deal to build a building in Moscow, but the deal never went through, and had already fallen through by the end of 2015, and no deal was ever completed. Is that wrong? Why? What's the conflict? That Trump might one day again want to build a building in Russia which he isn't now building and does not now have a deal to build?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:06 pm

Seabass wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:55 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:56 pm
BarnettNewman wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:18 pm

You understand what a conflict of interest is, correct?
Yes.

The New York Times reported in 2015 that "shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Bill Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock, and in total, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One, which was acquired by the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatum.

Clear up for me whether that constitutes a conflict of interest. I don't think so, but perhaps you know better.

Also, what about if Trump explored a deal to build a building in Moscow, but the deal never went through, and had already fallen through by the end of 2015, and no deal was ever completed. Is that wrong? Why? What's the conflict? That Trump might one day again want to build a building in Russia which he isn't now building and does not now have a deal to build?
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hilla ... ssia-deal/
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fac ... anium-rus/
Quote where those sources state Bill Clinton did not receive $500,00 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One Stock.

Quote where those sources state that $145 million did not go to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One.

The issue being illustrated is one of "conflict of interest," not whether the worst of the Uranium One deal allegations were true. The fact is, these moneys WERE paid to the Clinton Foundation and Bill Clinton from Russian sources. Do they represent conflicts of interest? I.e., if Clinton was elected President, would this be, in your view, a conflict of interest? Why? Why not?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:25 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:07 pm
:lol: But 'the deal' hadn't fallen through in 2015 - Cohen told Mueller he was still actively pursuing it for his boss during the campaign and after the election - and let's not forget that candidate Trump vehemently and consistently lied about this when asked during the campaign, and after he was elected. The Yeahbuttism fails again.
Again, so what? There was no deal, ever. Even if what Cohen said was true, if there isn't a deal there isn't a deal?

Cohen wrote: "The Trump Moscow proposal was simply one of many development opportunities that the Trump Organization considered and ultimately rejected," and "In late January 2016, I abandoned the Moscow proposal because I lost confidence that the prospective licensee would be able to obtain the real estate, financing and government approvals necessary to bring the proposal to fruition," he added. "It was a building proposal that did not succeed and nothing more. Cohen said the proposal "was not related in any way to Mr. Trump's presidential campaign. The decision to pursue the proposal initially, and later to abandon it, was unrelated to the Donald J. Trump for President campaign. Both I and the Trump Organization were evaluating this proposal and many others from solely a business standpoint, and rejected going forward on that basis."
Cohen told CNN he reached out to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, describing the message as "an email that went unanswered that was solely regarding a real estate deal and nothing more." In the second statement, Cohen said he contacted Peskov after it was suggested that the proposal would require approval by the Russian government, [and] Cohen said he "never considered asking Mr. Trump to travel to Russia in connection with this proposal" and did not brief him on his [Cohen's] decision to terminate the development."

Cohen told CNN that the conversations were "short." The first was to inform him about negotiations happening for a possible deal. Second time was to sign a letter of intent. The third time was letting him know that the deal was off after he decided himself to terminate it
. https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics ... index.html

So -what?

It's your argument that fails. Your arguments amount to: Trump considered a deal to build a building in Russia. No deal materialized, and if a deal had materialized, it wouldn't disqualify him from the Presidency. But, the non-deal disqualifies Trump for the Presidency.

It's like the retarded "emoluments" argument some people spew: Trump owns hotels. Russians sometimes stay in those hotels. Therefore, it's an emolument of office or a gift from a foreign power. LOL. Right!

This, though, is not even close to an emolument of office, of course, and certainly not a conflict of interest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 5c587e6176
The foundation presents a unique political challenge for Clinton, and one that has already become a cause of concern among Democrats as she prepares to launch an almost-certain second bid for the presidency. Rarely, if ever, has a potential commander in chief been so closely associated with an organization that has solicited financial support from foreign governments.
No biggie!
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:05 pm

:lol: Oh look, conditional morality at it's finest. Thank you for telling what my argument is, but actually I can do that for myself. Trump lied about his dealing in Russia - deeply and frequently. But there's nothing illegal about lying eh, and everybody does it right(?)
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