Hmmm... fritters.Hermit wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:27 pmNorway is no more gated than the USA. It is also a capitalist country with strong welfare policies, and unlike the UK, which used its share of the North Sea oil revenues to cut income tax rates for the rich, then sold it to the private sector, Norway managed its share wisely. Most of its oil revenue has not even been spent yet. It's funding Norway's pension program. As of January 2014 there are £100,000 salted away for every man, woman and child. In my book it's a good idea to save the windfall for rainy days/old age rather than frittering it away.
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What exactly are you getting at? Something wrong with Norway being a capitalist country with strong welfare policies? Unfair because the US missed the bus during the decades it had a trade surplus?
No regrets about the repeated deficits caused by repeatedly voting governments into office that keep lowering taxes instead of using the money for social welfare?
Just not fair, is it?
No regrets about the repeated deficits caused by repeatedly voting governments into office that keep lowering taxes instead of using the money for social welfare?
Just not fair, is it?
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Ya know, that Norway being a gated community with an unusually large energy industry makes comparisons to the US suspect. --apples to orangesWhat exactly are you getting at?
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...and through the alchemy of taxation we can effortlessly convert one to the other!
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Norway was a capitalist country with strong welfare policies for decades before it drilled its first oil and gas wells, and again, it is less gated than the US. In 2017 16.8% of Norway's total population consisted of immigrants. This compares to 14.4% of the total US population being immigrants in 2015, the latest figure I could find.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:11 pmYa know, that Norway being a gated community with an unusually large energy industry makes comparisons to the US suspect. --apples to orangesWhat exactly are you getting at?
Once you get yourself some rudimentary information we can start a fruitful discussion of other aspects concerning apples and oranges.
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The gated community comment is not a statement about immigration. It is about how affluent pricks look out from their privileged positions and ask why others can't get their shit together.
But since you brought it up, we should examine the make up of US immigration vs Norway's. I wonder whose argument the facts would strengthen?
But since you brought it up, we should examine the make up of US immigration vs Norway's. I wonder whose argument the facts would strengthen?
Typical Hermit. I don't know as much as you, that doesn't mean the conversation can't be productive.Once you get yourself some rudimentary information we can start a fruitful discussion of other aspects concerning apples and oranges.
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The gated community folks! Can you imagine believing these things about yourself?
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I thought that was a very good analysis of the essential difference between Norway and the US. Thanks, Sean Hayden.
Attempting to tie this in with the overall topic of this thread, I found an interview with Jonathan Metzl, the author of Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment is Killing America's Heartland. He discusses the emotional basis of white resentment and why it has a stranglehold on a particular American demographic. These people would rather literally die than willingly contribute to policies that enhance overall health and welfare of the population, because it would also enhance the health and welfare of people they despise.
Perhaps it will take time for these folks to go ahead and fade from the scene, and there is hope that their sons and daughters won't be caught in the same harmful mindset. This thread is about the alt-right, most of whom are young white men, but though their numbers have increased in the past few years, they're still a minority of young white men. Racial resentment has to die down in the US before real progress can be made toward the Norwegian model of recognizing that we are all in this together.
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Attempting to tie this in with the overall topic of this thread, I found an interview with Jonathan Metzl, the author of Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment is Killing America's Heartland. He discusses the emotional basis of white resentment and why it has a stranglehold on a particular American demographic. These people would rather literally die than willingly contribute to policies that enhance overall health and welfare of the population, because it would also enhance the health and welfare of people they despise.
Perhaps it will take time for these folks to go ahead and fade from the scene, and there is hope that their sons and daughters won't be caught in the same harmful mindset. This thread is about the alt-right, most of whom are young white men, but though their numbers have increased in the past few years, they're still a minority of young white men. Racial resentment has to die down in the US before real progress can be made toward the Norwegian model of recognizing that we are all in this together.
'Scholar Jonathan Metzl: White supremacy is literally killing white people'
I argue in "Dying of Whiteness" that we need to look at this first and foremost as a policy issue, as seen with the rising rates of gun deaths, despair from not having health care or health insurance, and tax cuts in states like Kansas that eviscerated funding for roads and bridges and schools. These policies lead to public divisiveness which in turn creates that empathy gap.
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Here is an example. There is all this rhetoric and messaging by the NRA and other parts of the right wing which connects guns to fear of "black crime" or "crime by minorities."
If you look at who are actually the victims of most gun deaths in this country -- there are 40,000 a year and two-thirds of those are gun suicides. Upwards of 80 or so percent of those suicides are white men. Ironically, white men are the main people who are dying of gun deaths in this country but there's no serious public discussion about it because of whiteness being powerful and not being interrogated enough.
That is just one example of the ways in which the type of whiteness that white people are being sold by many politicians, the news media and other influencers is literally at odds with white people's lives.
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In my book I am not discussing whiteness as a biological category. Whiteness is a social contract and a type of self-identity. One of the unifying threads of whiteness for the people I spoke to for my book was that whiteness is a privileged position that is under attack by the government or immigrants or minorities. Whiteness is something that needs to be defended. I talked to people who were literally on death's doorstep and in low-income housing communities and medical clinics who were not getting health care because Tennessee didn't fully adopt the Affordable Care Act. The one thing they were holding onto was that at least their tax dollars weren't going to what they said were "Mexicans and welfare queens."
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Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:25 pmThe gated community folks! Can you imagine believing these things about yourself?
www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-and ... utType=amp
Where's the gated bit? The ship's owner living in Switzerland to avoid taxes? Is he it?[The ship's owner] is Norway’s second-richest person and immediately got lambasted. Not for his malfunctioning ship but for mostly avoiding paying taxes to Norway by moving to Switzerland.
So much for what you call "a gated community". Also, compare the Gini coefficient, after taxes and transfers of the OECD countries: Norway with 0.250 is the third most equitable, while the USA with 0.378 is the fourth least equitable.
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Absurd. With every advantage they claim the success to be the result of a fundamentally different character. It's easier for Norway to acheive what it has, is this really a controversial statement?
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