Yet more problematic stuff

[Svartalf]

The answer will be simple and twofold : a) too many
b) enought to cast the taint on the whold community for not policing themselves.

we submit church authorities to prison sencences for not denouncing kiddy fiddlers, what should we do to imams who actually not only cover, but actually encourage their flock to violent action against non muslims?

[Cunt]

There is enough of a problem with young women being sold into sex slavery, that airport security officials know a special signal to watch for, by (near exclusively) young girls who are desperate to escape.

They probably aren't usually Catholics. Doubt it will be comfortable for Hermit to say which group it is for, but I have been wrong before...

[Rum]

That might be true, if a lot of people drew Mohommad and published the cartoons with no consequences.

Or if there weren't laws protecting certain special people over 'others'.

Of course, it's probably easier for you to dismiss me as crazy, rather than address real issues.

Like the denial not long ago, from some posters here, that anyone would be arrested for 'mis-gendering'. Not only has it happened, it happened for something said on TWITTER lol

Calling me crazy is lawful in your country, Rum. Speaking the truth about Islam, mentally ill people who pretend they are the other gender, or Brexit will be actionable.

Heaven forbid you get caught talking to someone on the 'verboten' list, or you will be labeled 'alt-right adjacent' or something equally horrible.

Well there isn’t a great deal to be gained from ‘addressing the real issues’ with you, because despite the reality of any given issue (for example that sharia law pertains in certain parts of the UK), you fail to provide evidence and ignore the people who know a bit about it and can dismiss your assertions.

The fact that you almost obsessively pick over the same few issues, deny real evidence that contradicts your views and keep returning to them - especially where they support your general theme that protected minorities are in fact taking advantage of their position ( and protection) to con the rest of us - well again - smacks of obsessiveness.

That may be your nature, or it may be the result of too much cannabis (I have an old friend who smokes dope pretty much every day and has clearly damaged or at least altered how he thinks - in his case in an endearing way..most of the time), or of course you could just be unpleasantly racist. You choose?

[JimC]

I couldn't give a shit about Islam. I don't see them as any significant threat. And people who are worried about them always come across as scared shitless to me. And scared shitless people are more worrisome to me than some abstract group like "Muslims". Frightened people are unpredictable. I'm just glad they don't have access to heavy weaponry in this country.

From memory, there have been no jihadist attacks in Ireland, unlike many other places in the world...

Muslims in general are not a threat; that's the whole racist schtick. But fundamentalist Islam is definitely a threat. Firstly, their ideology is basically fascist and absolutist. Secondly, they can and do inspire some of their members to kill and maim innocent people (including members of their own faith with different views, of course). If this isn't a reason to be concerned, I don't know what is.

Ani, I think that your argument has been influenced by a natural desire to oppose the anti-muslim groups whose true motivation is xenophobia. But don't make the same mistake as many on the far left, which is refusing to see the dark side of Islam (or at least it's dangerous branches)

[JimC]

well, Ani, given the number of muslims who seem to believe in earnest that jihad is a command to do bloody war on the infidel, maybe you should.

Tell me, Svarty, what percentage of Muslims believe in earnest that jihad is a command to do bloody war on the infidel?

Probably very low, but they can of course cause damage out of proportion to their numbers.

[Hermit]

well, Ani, given the number of muslims who seem to believe in earnest that jihad is a command to do bloody war on the infidel, maybe you should.

Tell me, Svarty, what percentage of Muslims believe in earnest that jihad is a command to do bloody war on the infidel?

Tell me, Hermit, how does it feel to so often be in the position of 'apologist for Islam'?

I don't know. You'll need to ask an apologist for Islam.

[Hermit]

The answer will be simple and twofold : a) too many
b) enought to cast the taint on the whold community for not policing themselves.

Concerning a), I have asked for a quantitative rather than a qualitative answer. The inclusion of the word 'percentage' made that clear enough.

Concerning b), There is no more of an onus on the whole Muslim community to police its renegade members than there is an onus of the whole Christian community to do likewise. Doubly so since the Muslim community is at least as fragmented as, if not more so than, the Christian. Speaking for myself, I would not even speak of either 'the Muslim community' or 'the Christian community'.

[Animavore]

From memory, there have been no jihadist attacks in Ireland, unlike many other places in the world...

Well no. The IRA had involvement with Islamic terrorists. Our country hasn't fucked them over like Britain, France, and the US. We're currently not really seen as targets to my knowledge.

But fundamentalist Islam is definitely a threat. Firstly, their ideology is basically fascist and absolutist.

I actually agree. Same with fundamentalist Christians. It's just the statistics are so low of dying at the hands of either I consider them negligible. More chance of been eaten by a shark apparently. Though, like with Islam, in Ireland; not so much.

Secondly, they can and do inspire some of their members to kill and maim innocent people (including members of their own faith with different views, of course). If this isn't a reason to be concerned, I don't know what is.

Yes. Just not in any irrational way. Numbers, odds, and all that.

Ani, I think that your argument has been influenced by a natural desire to oppose the anti-muslim groups whose true motivation is xenophobia. But don't make the same mistake as many on the far left, which is refusing to see the dark side of Islam (or at least it's dangerous branches)

My argument and seeming nonchalance is based on mathematical probability. Not a desire to oppose right-wing fuckwits. After all; Islamists are right-wing fuckwits.

I'm not worried about being bombed. I'm certainty not worried about grossly inflated, hysterical, right-wing demographic estimates which predict a takeover.

I'm just not worried

[JimC]

I'm not personally worried about being bombed either. And, although you hate them, I doubt that you are worried about being beaten up by fascists...

That doesn't stop me putting violent jihadists in the category of dangerous to people in general...

[Cunt]

I guess the UK has been enriched by Islam. That must be why they are trying to Brexit.

[Animavore]

I'm not personally worried about being bombed either. And, although you hate them, I doubt that you are worried about being beaten up by fascists...

That doesn't stop me putting violent jihadists in the category of dangerous to people in general...

So do I. My argument was against the irrational fear of Cunts who believe they pose a real threat on the safe, opposite of the World. Fuck Muslims in the US and Canada have more to fear from internal right-wingers than whitey.

[Cunt]

I'm not personally worried about being bombed either. And, although you hate them, I doubt that you are worried about being beaten up by fascists...

That doesn't stop me putting violent jihadists in the category of dangerous to people in general...

So do I. My argument was against the irrational fear of Cunts who believe they pose a real threat on the safe, opposite of the World. Fuck Muslims in the US and Canada have more to fear from internal right-wingers than whitey.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Your 'internal right-wingers' like Jussie Smollet?

'Whitey' is some racist language, even for you.

Canadians are all colours. Your racism is so clear it's like you have your name in bright white letters. Oh wait...

[Cunt]

Canadian news bit...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.5067335

Some guy rushed a pulpit and stabbed a priest. No word yet on whether it was a hate-crime against religious, or a vengeful victim of their 'pastoral care'.

Probably too early to be joking about it, really.

[JimC]

...or a muslim taking revenge for the mosque attack in NZ...

Unlikely, but possible...

[Cunt]

...or a muslim taking revenge for the mosque attack in NZ...

Unlikely, but possible...

Yeah...it's why conversations are better with words than with weapons.

I hope it's just a ruined young man who was raped by the old priest, but real life is seldom that 'clean'. It's probably going to end up more horrible than I could imagine...

Fuck this...I'm going to go find a merry story.