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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:26 pm

He's going to send a thrill up some pundits' legs, that's for sure.

So inspiring.

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:26 pm

I've got a skateboard. I even ride it with the kids sometimes. :biggrin:

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:27 pm

Fuckin' politics right? Too old, faking being young! You just can't be anything really.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by JimC » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 pm

I'd ride one too, but I'm allergic to broken bones...
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Seabass » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 pm

The scary brown muslim congresslady wrote an op-ed in the WaPo. She seems pretty reasonable to me. The Republicans are going to use every dirty trick in the book to get her out of government...

Ilhan Omar: We must apply our universal values to all nations. Only then will we achieve peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Valuing human rights also means applying the same standards to our friends and our enemies. We do not have the credibility to support those fighting for human rights in Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua if we do not also support those fighting for human rights in Honduras, Guatemala and Brazil. Our criticisms of oppression and regional instability caused by Iran are not legitimate if we do not hold Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain to the same standards.

And we cannot continue to turn a blind eye to repression in Saudi Arabia — a country that is consistently ranked among the worst of the worst human rights offenders. Whether it is the murder of dissenters such as Jamal Khashoggi or war crimes against civilian populations in Yemen, we must hold all of our allies to the same international standards as our enemies.

This vision also applies to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. U.S. support for Israel has a long history. The founding of Israel 70 years ago was built on the Jewish people’s connection to their historical homeland, as well as the urgency of establishing a nation in the wake of the horror of the Holocaust and the centuries of anti-Semitic oppression leading up to it. Many of the founders of Israel were themselves refugees who survived indescribable horrors.

We must acknowledge that this is also the historical homeland of Palestinians. And without a state, the Palestinian people live in a state of permanent refugeehood and displacement. This, too, is a refugee crisis, and they, too, deserve freedom and dignity.

A balanced, inclusive approach to the conflict recognizes the shared desire for security and freedom of both peoples. I support a two-state solution, with internationally recognized borders, which allows for both Israelis and Palestinians to have their own sanctuaries and self-determination. This has been official bipartisan U.S. policy across two decades and has been supported by each of the most recent Israeli and Palestinian leaders, as well as the consensus of the Israeli security establishment. As Jim Mattis, who later was President Trump’s defense secretary, said in 2011 , “The current situation between those two peoples is unsustainable.”
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:06 pm

JimC wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 pm
I'd ride one too, but I'm allergic to broken bones...
Gin makes you flexible, you'll be fine.
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:09 am

I'd get busted for skateboarding under the influence...
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:10 am

Seabass wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 pm
The scary brown muslim congresslady wrote an op-ed in the WaPo. She seems pretty reasonable to me. The Republicans are going to use every dirty trick in the book to get her out of government...

Ilhan Omar: We must apply our universal values to all nations. Only then will we achieve peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Valuing human rights also means applying the same standards to our friends and our enemies. We do not have the credibility to support those fighting for human rights in Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua if we do not also support those fighting for human rights in Honduras, Guatemala and Brazil. Our criticisms of oppression and regional instability caused by Iran are not legitimate if we do not hold Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain to the same standards.

And we cannot continue to turn a blind eye to repression in Saudi Arabia — a country that is consistently ranked among the worst of the worst human rights offenders. Whether it is the murder of dissenters such as Jamal Khashoggi or war crimes against civilian populations in Yemen, we must hold all of our allies to the same international standards as our enemies.

This vision also applies to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. U.S. support for Israel has a long history. The founding of Israel 70 years ago was built on the Jewish people’s connection to their historical homeland, as well as the urgency of establishing a nation in the wake of the horror of the Holocaust and the centuries of anti-Semitic oppression leading up to it. Many of the founders of Israel were themselves refugees who survived indescribable horrors.

We must acknowledge that this is also the historical homeland of Palestinians. And without a state, the Palestinian people live in a state of permanent refugeehood and displacement. This, too, is a refugee crisis, and they, too, deserve freedom and dignity.

A balanced, inclusive approach to the conflict recognizes the shared desire for security and freedom of both peoples. I support a two-state solution, with internationally recognized borders, which allows for both Israelis and Palestinians to have their own sanctuaries and self-determination. This has been official bipartisan U.S. policy across two decades and has been supported by each of the most recent Israeli and Palestinian leaders, as well as the consensus of the Israeli security establishment. As Jim Mattis, who later was President Trump’s defense secretary, said in 2011 , “The current situation between those two peoples is unsustainable.”
Not exactly a jihadist/marxist position... :tea:
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by rainbow » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:27 am

Forty Two wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:26 pm
He's going to send a thrill up some pundits' legs, that's for sure.

So inspiring.

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Forty Two » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:02 pm

JimC wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:10 am
Seabass wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 pm
The scary brown muslim congresslady wrote an op-ed in the WaPo. She seems pretty reasonable to me. The Republicans are going to use every dirty trick in the book to get her out of government...

Ilhan Omar: We must apply our universal values to all nations. Only then will we achieve peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Valuing human rights also means applying the same standards to our friends and our enemies. We do not have the credibility to support those fighting for human rights in Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua if we do not also support those fighting for human rights in Honduras, Guatemala and Brazil. Our criticisms of oppression and regional instability caused by Iran are not legitimate if we do not hold Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain to the same standards.
She can start with her own Party, and herself. I'd like to see HER apply the "same standards" to all countries. Show us how it's don' Ms. Omar!

And we cannot continue to turn a blind eye to repression in Saudi Arabia — a country that is consistently ranked among the worst of the worst human rights offenders. Whether it is the murder of dissenters such as Jamal Khashoggi or war crimes against civilian populations in Yemen, we must hold all of our allies to the same international standards as our enemies.
That's a nice sentiment. So, eminently reasonable Ms. Omar -- what would you like to see done to Saudi Arabia, exactly? What should US policy be changed to, exactly? If you want to make policy, make a proposal for a policy.



This vision also applies to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. U.S. support for Israel has a long history. The founding of Israel 70 years ago was built on the Jewish people’s connection to their historical homeland,
Also, the fact that Jewish populations lived there.
as well as the urgency of establishing a nation in the wake of the horror of the Holocaust and the centuries of anti-Semitic oppression leading up to it. Many of the founders of Israel were themselves refugees who survived indescribable horrors.

We must acknowledge that this is also the historical homeland of Palestinians. And without a state, the Palestinian people live in a state of permanent refugeehood and displacement. This, too, is a refugee crisis, and they, too, deserve freedom and dignity.
And the US has been trying to facilitate that for 70 years. The US has attempted to broker peace deals where the Palestinians would get a State, too. Is Ms. Omar of the view that the US has not sought that?

A balanced, inclusive approach to the conflict recognizes the shared desire for security and freedom of both peoples. I support a two-state solution, with internationally recognized borders,
So has every US President for the last 50 or more years, and both major political parties.
which allows for both Israelis and Palestinians to have their own sanctuaries and self-determination. This has been official bipartisan U.S. policy across two decades and has been supported by each of the most recent Israeli and Palestinian leaders, as well as the consensus of the Israeli security establishment. As Jim Mattis, who later was President Trump’s defense secretary, said in 2011 , “The current situation between those two peoples is unsustainable.”


Not exactly a jihadist/marxist position... :tea:
So, she's saying that current US policy and the policy for the last couple of decades (bipartisan US policy) is right in line with her view of what we should be striving for in the Israeli-Palestinian situation.

Has someone called her a Jihadist? I mean, she was just pointing out that "it's all about the Benjamins," you know? Of course they are engaged in "evil doings" and "hypnotizing the world."

And, she apologized, so she acknowledged how she was spreading "antisemitic tropes" -- she was educated about it. So, you know, she admitted what she said was wrong, and she won't do it again. :funny:
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Joe » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:21 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:02 pm
JimC wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:10 am
Seabass wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 pm
The scary brown muslim congresslady wrote an op-ed in the WaPo. She seems pretty reasonable to me. The Republicans are going to use every dirty trick in the book to get her out of government...

Ilhan Omar: We must apply our universal values to all nations. Only then will we achieve peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Valuing human rights also means applying the same standards to our friends and our enemies. We do not have the credibility to support those fighting for human rights in Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua if we do not also support those fighting for human rights in Honduras, Guatemala and Brazil. Our criticisms of oppression and regional instability caused by Iran are not legitimate if we do not hold Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain to the same standards.
She can start with her own Party, and herself. I'd like to see HER apply the "same standards" to all countries. Show us how it's don' Ms. Omar!

And we cannot continue to turn a blind eye to repression in Saudi Arabia — a country that is consistently ranked among the worst of the worst human rights offenders. Whether it is the murder of dissenters such as Jamal Khashoggi or war crimes against civilian populations in Yemen, we must hold all of our allies to the same international standards as our enemies.
That's a nice sentiment. So, eminently reasonable Ms. Omar -- what would you like to see done to Saudi Arabia, exactly? What should US policy be changed to, exactly? If you want to make policy, make a proposal for a policy.



This vision also applies to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. U.S. support for Israel has a long history. The founding of Israel 70 years ago was built on the Jewish people’s connection to their historical homeland,
Also, the fact that Jewish populations lived there.
as well as the urgency of establishing a nation in the wake of the horror of the Holocaust and the centuries of anti-Semitic oppression leading up to it. Many of the founders of Israel were themselves refugees who survived indescribable horrors.

We must acknowledge that this is also the historical homeland of Palestinians. And without a state, the Palestinian people live in a state of permanent refugeehood and displacement. This, too, is a refugee crisis, and they, too, deserve freedom and dignity.
And the US has been trying to facilitate that for 70 years. The US has attempted to broker peace deals where the Palestinians would get a State, too. Is Ms. Omar of the view that the US has not sought that?

A balanced, inclusive approach to the conflict recognizes the shared desire for security and freedom of both peoples. I support a two-state solution, with internationally recognized borders,
So has every US President for the last 50 or more years, and both major political parties.
which allows for both Israelis and Palestinians to have their own sanctuaries and self-determination. This has been official bipartisan U.S. policy across two decades and has been supported by each of the most recent Israeli and Palestinian leaders, as well as the consensus of the Israeli security establishment. As Jim Mattis, who later was President Trump’s defense secretary, said in 2011 , “The current situation between those two peoples is unsustainable.”


Not exactly a jihadist/marxist position... :tea:
So, she's saying that current US policy and the policy for the last couple of decades (bipartisan US policy) is right in line with her view of what we should be striving for in the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
Has someone called her a Jihadist? I mean, she was just pointing out that "it's all about the Benjamins," you know? Of course they are engaged in "evil doings" and "hypnotizing the world."

And, she apologized, so she acknowledged how she was spreading "antisemitic tropes" -- she was educated about it. So, you know, she admitted what she said was wrong, and she won't do it again. :funny:
Yeah, no one called her a jihadist. :whistle:

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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by BarnettNewman » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:42 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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I wish one of Beto's interviewers would ask him to recount some of his greatest "hacks" (nonconsensual intrusions into other people's computer systems) while he was with that renowned hacker group. I bet some of the information he illegally accessed was really cool.
Relax. I don't think he nor anyone else for that matter cares which porn websites you've visited.
He admitted stealing long distance calling services "so he wouldn't run up a large bill..." (back then people used dial-up services).

So, the guy's an admitted petty criminal - hacking, stealing phone service, burglary, driving under the influence -- that's just what he was caught doing.

Reuters, of course, had a lot of the hacking information already during the campaign against Ted Cruz - they conspired with the Beto campaign to keep a lid on the reporting. Wouldn't want to hurt Beto's chances, after all....

But, really - if he was spending time "hacking" - so much so that he had to worry about the size of his long distance bill - what websites was he hacking? What illegal intrusions did he make?

I mean, if he was Russian, I guess it would be a big deal. But, American Democrat politicians who were members of famed "hacker" groups whose claim to fame involved unwarranted entrance into secure computer systems... well, that's just good clean fun.
So he was a phone phreaker? Who the fuck cares? So were Jobs and Wozniak.

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The guy shouldn't be supported by his party (or anyone else) if he is a convicted thief.
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Post by Tero » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:08 am

Democrats: give us documents.
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Nixon tried it with ”tapes.”
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Re: The Thread of Democrats

Post by Forty Two » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:42 pm

BarnettNewman wrote:
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So he was a phone phreaker? Who the fuck cares? So were Jobs and Wozniak.
I don't care. I wouldn't vote for the guy anyway. Let's just see who else doesn't care about criminal business practices, and improper hacking of confidential information..... who else doesn't think that matters... you don't, as you just said.

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