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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:57 pm

If you were to say that it's OK for the police to have powers which restrict or limit movement for public order reasons, but it's not appropriate for those powers to be used on those terms for people handing out trolling-leaflets, then you would have just engaged in special pleading.
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by JimC » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:22 pm

It all depends on the reasons for a police intervention. If it is purely to stifle free speech (at government request, or otherwise) then it deserves censure. However, if a police officer establishes a reasonable belief that a possible action (like handing out anti-Islam pamphlets in front of a certain mosque) is likely to lead to violence, then preventing that action is a valid response.
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:44 pm

The pamphlets really are absurd. I hate when people shit on the spirit of the law. I mean who thinks it's reasonable to claim your free speech is being limited because you were asked nicely not to pass out that pamphlet?

It's just another example of hateful people asking reasonable folk to ignore good sense so they can get in another jab. --pathetic

Pass out a pamphlet asking Muslims to consider homosexuality isn't a sin, and that's another story. Have Muslims pass it out and we're getting close.
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Cunt » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:57 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:44 pm
The pamphlets really are absurd. I hate when people shit on the spirit of the law. I mean who thinks it's reasonable to claim your free speech is being limited because you were asked nicely not to pass out that pamphlet?

It's just another example of hateful people asking reasonable folk to ignore good sense so they can get in another jab. --pathetic

Pass out a pamphlet asking Muslims to consider homosexuality isn't a sin, and that's another story. Have Muslims pass it out and we're getting close.
I know Ayaan Hirsi Ali was drawn out by this kind of thing. The European government drew her out to speak publicly, then after the murder of her partner, they withdrew their support. She fled to the US, where she could be safer.

Can you show her film on the street, in front of a mosque? Or must she go risk herself, in person to continue to make her point?
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:14 am

I question whether you actually believe that it was anything but Ayaan Hirsi Ali's own choice to speak out against Islamic treatment of women. What is 'drew her out' even supposed to mean?

The Dutch government provided protection for Ali while she lived in the Netherlands, and continued to provide protection for her after she came to the US. It only ceased to pay for her protection after she'd taken a US Permanent Resident Card.
Former MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali is now in danger in the US as well. Her security has been stepped up for the past three weeks. Because of concrete threats, she is now receiving the same level of protection as she previously needed in the Netherlands, the Volkskrant reports.

Hirsi Ali had more freedom of movement when she first arrived in the US last September. Her lack of freedom in the Netherlands was one of the reasons for her move.

The forced isolation made it impossible for her to continue in her position as MP at the time, she said. The Liberal VVD politician had to travel by armoured car in the Netherlands, accompanied by six bodyguards. In the US just two security workers, who kept an eye on her from a distance, sufficed.

Hirsi Ali's protection is carried out by American security personnel commissioned by the Dutch Justice department. Hirsi Ali works at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington DC, a think-tank that has close ties with the Republican party.

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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Cunt » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:17 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:14 am
The Dutch government provided protection for Ali while she lived in the Netherlands, and continued to provide protection for her after she came to the US. It only ceased to pay for her protection after she'd taken a US Permanent Res...
blah blah blah, blah blah blah L'Emmerdeur continued, dodging the awkward main question, which is not affected by the distraction.

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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by rainbow » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:31 am

Cunt wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:17 am
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:14 am
The Dutch government provided protection for Ali while she lived in the Netherlands, and continued to provide protection for her after she came to the US. It only ceased to pay for her protection after she'd taken a US Permanent Res...
blah blah blah, blah blah blah L'Emmerdeur continued, dodging the awkward main question, which is not affected by the distraction.
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Cunt » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:27 pm

Would you, rainbow? Would you show that video, by a woman oppressed by the more sinister corners of Islam?

Would the police be right to stop you?

What about the Mohommad cartoons? Would the police be right to stop the publication of those, knowing the outcome?
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:55 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:17 am
blah blah blah, blah blah blah L'Emmerdeur continued, dodging the awkward main question, which is not affected by the distraction.

This is you at your best, lemmy.
I don't think that anybody here has claimed that there are not certain elements in the Muslim community that are overzealous and willing to engage in violence to 'protect' Islam and attempt to silence those they view as blaspheming against their beliefs. Deliberately provoking Muslim communities may result in a response from those overzealous elements. Speaking out against the repugnant parts of Islam can generate a violent reaction, as can merely producing images that they feel are 'blasphemous.' None of these facts are particularly controversial, and inane questions pointing to them aren't worthy of a serious response.

On the other hand, false statements can be countered with facts. I note that the facts seem to have been effective here. Instead of facing them, you prefer to rely on feeble taunts.

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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:46 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:17 am
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:14 am
The Dutch government provided protection for Ali while she lived in the Netherlands, and continued to provide protection for her after she came to the US. It only ceased to pay for her protection after she'd taken a US Permanent Res...
blah blah blah, blah blah blah L'Emmerdeur continued, dodging the awkward main question, which is not affected by the distraction.

This is you at your best, lemmy.
Pwnd on inaccuracies again eh Cunt? :coffee:
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Cunt » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:37 pm

The 'no-go' zones issue is an exaggeration of that problem, Lemmy.

Denial of it is what leads to voraciously protecting the rights of that group to not be offended.

So Lauren Southern isn't right for this, because of who she is, or how she has behaved. I might accept that, but can you say who IS making those important criticisms? Someone you are a fan of, I mean. Someone who does a good, fair job of it.
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:03 pm

You still haven't got the fact that no-go zones in Oz are a fantasy, have you...
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Cunt » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:55 pm

JimC wrote:
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You still haven't got the fact that no-go zones in Oz are a fantasy, have you...
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:45 pm

Looks like his Tourettes is playing up again...
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Re: Australian 'no-go' zones

Post by Svartalf » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:18 pm

I thought some beaches in Oz were virtually no go zones, as the local surfers mistreat strange comers who want to steal their spot.
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