Her majesty’s official opposition implode

[Rum]

Seven MPs leave Labour Party in protest at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902


The twats have an open goal with the Tories in disarray over Brexit and with the government’s eye off so many other important issues and they gorn and done this. Fucking idiots.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeabutt Jeremy rides a communist-style bicycle.

The party leadership's obsession with hedging it's bets over Brexit while ignoring the clear and overwhelming views of the party must feel like more attention is being given to people who might vote Labour but who voted Leave than those who actually pay their subs. It's the Owen Smith effect all over again - remember all those on-the-hour-every-hour resignations soon after Corbyn was elected leader?

But I wouldn't be surprised if Tories start resigning too. The divide between constituencies and party policy has only been highlighted by Brexit. At this point I'd like to hear some serious talk about STV/PR and compulsory voting.

[Strontium Dog]

A brave and principled stance from the seven. Good luck to them.

[Rum]

Chuka Umunna would make a great party leader. We really need a ‘moderate’ centre left party in this country that is for redistribution of wealth via higher taxes on the better off and with social justice at its core. The current Labour Party with its far left legacy, constant rumblings about anti semitism is simply not electable. The British are far too moderate...or maybe cautious.. to go for the current lot’s shenanigans.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeabutt, we had the Lib Dems, and look what happened to them. Gone the way of loon pants and the Texan bar.

[Rum]

I think they were too liberal and not enough social.

I have no idea if a new party is in the offing, but this country seems to me to be floundering with two very poorly lead main parties which just seem to be flapping their arms about and not actually doing anything.

[Brian Peacock]

STV PR. It would naturally coalesce the national political debate around the central portion of the bell curve rather than all this sniping from the extremes.

[Alan B]

I'm fucking pissed off with both parties. Put 'em all 'up against the wall' and start from scratch.

[PsychoSerenity]

Chuka Umunna would make a great party leader. We really need a ‘moderate’ centre left party in this country that is for redistribution of wealth via higher taxes on the better off and with social justice at its core. The current Labour Party with its far left legacy, constant rumblings about anti semitism is simply not electable. The British are far too moderate...or maybe cautious.. to go for the current lot’s shenanigans.

Umunna would not make a good party leader, he's an absolute weather vane. And labour's policies are not far left in the slightest, they're just painted that way in the media.

[Rum]

Ah the true believer arrives to save the day. I remember that sort of certainty.

[PsychoSerenity]

Yeah I'm really not a true believer. I'm a member of a different party. But if you can't see the spin in the media, I can't help you.

[Rum]

Both parties accuse the media of bias. That’s a good sign that they attempt to be impartial, even if they don’t always mange it. The ‘Tory press’ is what it is of course and people recognise it for what it is just as they do the Mirror or Guardian at the other end of the spectrum.

FFS Trump thinks the media are biased! If that doesn’t tell you something I can’t help you. To quote a phrase.

[PsychoSerenity]

Fallacy of the middle ground. And anyway, The Guardian at the other end of the spectrum? It's been anti Corbyn from day one.

If you want to see some actual left wing media try these:

https://novaramedia.com/
https://www.thecanary.co/
https://evolvepolitics.com/

[Rum]

‘Fallacy of the middle ground’. Do you know how that sounds? Do you? I doubt it. You can try out all the leftist cant and cliches you like but that’s all it is.

I was a member of the workers revolutionary part in the early 70s. I’m embarrassed by that now. I still remember all the self justification, the certainty that we were right and everyone else was wrong, that a Marxist interpretation of history was the only valid one. That revolution was inevitable (and the casualties a necessary price to pay). Bah!

[Hermit]

I was a member of the workers revolutionary part in the early 70s. I’m embarrassed by that now. I still remember all the self justification, the certainty that we were right and everyone else was wrong, that a Marxist interpretation of history was the only valid one. That revolution was inevitable (and the casualties a necessary price to pay). Bah!

You may have changed your tune politically, but your tone of certainty has not diminished.

Speaking of Marxist interpretation of history, have Corby & co announced they will nationalise the means of production without compensation? Just asking because I'm not well read on the UK's Labour Party. I kind of lost interest when Tony Blair came up with the Third Way. Not much point leading the Labour Party to three election victories when that requires the implementation of neo-liberal policies and playing deputy dog to the US in the war against weapons of mass destruction.