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Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:05 am

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Trump sells soap. Holy SHIT does he ever. All you have to do is put his name down, and some people simply MUST read, MUST comment, MUST express their opinion.

I think it's something about his 1980's pro-wrestling style of handling the media. Laugh all you want about how false those performances were, but sounding true wasn't the point of them. It was something about drama, or theatrics. It worked FUCKING amazing.
Are you saying that the manipulative techniques of a snake oil salesman are a good basis for being a leader of a major country?
Read more carefully.

I am saying that it worked FUCKING amazing, and that a solidly intellectual performance (such as Dr. Julius Sumner Miller delivered in opposition to the pro wrestling in my youth) would lose because no-one would listen.

Dr. Miller would probably have been a better president, by the way. Even though I think he's been dead for awhile.

Trump is still better than Hillary, or anyone else I've seen the Dems put forward.

I think Bernie should run for the republicans. THAT would be a show worth watching!
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:45 am

Of course they are, have been for decades, if not for centuries.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:49 am

Wish Bernie wasn't so old. He's a peoples candidate. But it would be hard voting for someone that old.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by trdsf » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:33 am

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You've got a media that's more interested in profiting from the rolling circus that is Trump than they are in simply reporting the news; what's to be done about that, I don't know.
Sam Harris, in his podcast, has a regular few minutes he dedicates to this around the subject of how he collects subscription fees.

He has thought about it a lot, and made ethical decisions which damaged himself financially, so has earned more of my trust around this issue than many.

Trump sells soap. Holy SHIT does he ever. All you have to do is put his name down, and some people simply MUST read, MUST comment, MUST express their opinion.

I think it's something about his 1980's pro-wrestling style of handling the media. Laugh all you want about how false those performances were, but sounding true wasn't the point of them. It was something about drama, or theatrics. It worked FUCKING amazing.

It worked just as well for Trump, and it was REALLY tough for Dr. Julius Sumner Miller to get my attention away from Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant and Haystack Calhoun. He did, with me, but many other 'kids' my age never heard of him.

So I don't know if the Dem's could win with a good candidate. They may have to go theatrical...

Of course, as our trust in 'video evidence' fails, this might correct itself.
I'm going to give you points just for referencing Julius Sumner Miller ("...and physics is my business."). And if you haven't seen it before, have this hilarious edit of JSM.

'Going theatrical' is my main fear. That only opens the door to an Oprah candidacy, and I want someone with Executive Branch experience, and if at all possible with some foreign policy credentials. That points to Joe, but he hasn't announced yet, and I am obliged to take his age into account (as I am with Bernie, and Elizabeth Warren). The presidency is a heavy weight, and that's a hell of a load to drop on a 78 year old, or even a 70 year old. Look at a picture of Obama in '09, or Dubya in '01, and then look at pictures of them from the ends of their respective terms. It's a hell of an intense job.

Funny thing, pro wrestling never got my attention, and as a gay man you'd think I'd be a fan of beefy guys tussling — but the point you're making has more than a little truth to it. That was exactly what Moonves was talking about in the link I gave above: Trump is theater and completely regardless of whether or not he's good for the country, he's good for the bottom line of the networks and news channels. It's just bread and circuses, minus the blood and dead gladiators. And bread.

And entertainment value is no basis on which to decide who should occupy the presidency. If it were, I would have been a Jerry Brown supporter in both '76 and '92.

(Also, is it just me, or was Julius Sumner Miller separated at birth from Simon Bar Sinister from the old Underdog cartoon?)
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Post by JimC » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:41 am

It is an inditement on modern politics in western democracies that, all too often, entertainment value becomes a substitute to intelligence and statesmanship. Trump is just an extreme example of this trend.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:49 am

because you deem frump entertaining? he might have been when his tv appearances were in the Apprentice or other tv shows, but now... well it's another kettle of fish
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:00 am

I think endorse my candidate early, though he hasn't declared yet. (he is also my favourite pirate ever)

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Look, his frequent falling overboard won't be as large a problem in the white house, and, like the last three or four presidents, he doesn't have to be able to read. They can have a staffer for that. (I think it's called the 'Lewinsky Position')
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Forty Two » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:05 pm

Howard Schultz is pissing people off by demonstrating just how Left the Democrat Party has lurched. https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/p ... o-far-left
Schultz said the nation cannot afford the priorities of far-left Democrats, including full government-paid health insurance and college tuition. “We are sitting right now with a national debt of $21.5 trillion on the balance sheet of our country,” he said. “And if we were a company, if America was a company, at $21.5 trillion of debt, adding $1 trillion a year, we would be facing insolvency.”

In an interview on CBS’ This Morning, Schultz took issue with Senator (and presidential candidate) Kamala Harris’ (D-Calif.) plan to replace private health insurance with “Medicare for All.”

“You just played Senator Harris as saying she wants to abolish the insurance industry. That’s not correct. That’s not American,” Schultz said.

“What’s next?” Schultz asked. “What industry are we going to abolish next? The coffee industry?”
As soon as Schultz stepped down from his perch at Starbucks last June, speculation arose about his running as a Democrat in 2020. But then, during an interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box" around that time, Schultz had this to say:

"It concerns me that so many voices within the Democratic Party are going so far to the left. I say to myself, 'How are we going to pay for these things,' in terms of things like single payer (and) people espousing the fact that the government is going to give everyone a job."

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"I don't think that's realistic," he said. Then he added: "I think we got to get away from these falsehoods and start talking about the truth and not false promises."

Schultz went on to say that the greatest threat domestically to the country is "this $21 trillion debt hanging over the cloud of America and future generations. The only way we're going to get out of that is we've got to grow the economy, in my view, 4% or greater. And then we have to go after entitlements."

To today's Democrats, Schultz must sound like an alien invader.

He's asking how to pay for universal health care and guaranteed jobs? Everyone knows it's by taxing rich people like Schultz. He wants to "go after" entitlements? The party line is to expand all of them. He calls national debt the "greatest threat"? The official position of the Democratic Party is that the greatest threat we face is global warming.

And 4% economic growth? When President Trump promised to deliver growth rates that high, Democrats called him crazy.
But Schultz is absolutely right about his fellow Democrats. As we have pointed out many times in this space, the Democratic Party has veered to the
extreme left in recent years. So far, in fact, that it is now embracing an economic agenda that is to the left of any other industrialized nation — including China.

Top Democrats have, for example, bear-hugged Bernie Sanders' radical "Medicare for all" plan, which promises "free" government-provided health care benefits more generous than any other nation, and that would cost trillions of dollars a year.

The party's most recent fascination is with "guaranteed jobs," an idea straight out of the Soviet Union's constitution that would cost upward of $750 billion a year.

And that's to say nothing of the party's promise of free college, student loan forgiveness and various other big ticket items.
As we noted in this space recently, Sanders, a self-described socialist who nearly stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton, "seems to have opened the way for the mainstreaming of socialism in the Democratic Party."

In fact, Hillary Clinton recently tried to pin her troubles in the 2016 Democratic primaries on the fact that she was perceived as — gasp — "a capitalist."

It's not just party leaders who've veered far to the left, but the Democratic base itself. A survey of 1,000 likely Democratic voters taken before the 2016 elections found that nearly 60% said socialism would be great for America. A Pew Research Center report out last year found that while the center of the Republican Party shifted slightly to the right between 1994 and 2017, the center for Democrats moved sharply to the left.

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So, it should not come as a surprise that, instead of listening to the more practical-minded Schultz, Democrats immediately tried to force him off the stage.

Helaine Olen, writing in the Washington Post, acknowledges that Schultz was a good liberal when he headed Starbucks. He won kudos for things like providing health benefits to part-time workers, defending gay marriage, offering financial aid for college, and for standing up to Trump on immigration.

But she goes on to complain that Schultz's "politics are not exactly in sync with the Democratic Party today" and says he "shouldn't run for president."

The Daily Beast says Schultz's resume "seems inherently out of step with a party in which Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, Kamala Harris are luminaries" and that "no one is excited" about him running for president.

Eric Levitz, writing in New York magazine, goes so far as to say that Schulz's combination of socially liberal and what Levitz calls "fiscally conservative" views "put him on the radical fringe in the United States." He says Democrats "must reject" Schultz's "ideology."

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So Schultz, realizing he has no future as a Democrat, announced on "60 Minutes" over the weekend that he's "seriously thinking of running for president....as a centrist independent, outside of the two-party system."

"Both parties," he said, "are consistently not doing what's necessary on behalf of the American people and are engaged, every single day, in revenge politics."

That has Democrats starting to worry that a Schultz run could hurt Democratic chances in 2020. Julian Castro, one of several left-liberal Democrats who've already announced plans to run in 2020, complained on CNN that "it would provide Donald Trump with his best hope of getting re-elected."

Maybe Castro and Co. should be focused more on their party's lurch into the left-wing fringes, which has made it impossible for moderate Democrats like Schultz to find any home there.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:22 pm

“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Tero » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:06 pm

If he gets 19% like Ross Perot, it’s just a choice for Republicans who can’t hold their nose and vote Trump.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:58 pm

Apparently, the Democrats fear that he gives an option for level-headed Democrats to vote for somebody who isn't a total loon.

Elizabeth "Chief Spreading Bull" Warren? Kamala Lama Dingdong Harris? Corey "Spartacus in the Mensroom" Booker? Tulsi "Moana" Gabbard? Julian "Fidel" Castro?

The Democrat filed makes Howard Schultz look like JFK.

Remember the "Clown Car" jokes from 2016. Get ready, Democrats.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:05 pm

Corey Booker announced his candidacy, lol

Here is how the Democrats argued that Booker's admitted sexual assault of a woman 25 or 30 years ago wasn't the same as the accusations against Kavanaugh -- https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics ... index.html

1. Booker admitted it, so at least he's honest.
2. Booker wasn't being "appointed" he's being elected and the matter would only be relevant to voters who will elect him.
3. This isn't about Booker, it's about Kavanaugh, so no "whataboutism" is relevant.


Good - well - he admitted to sexual assault, so we KNOW it happened. Two, he is now up for election, so the fact that he is a sexual assaulter is now relevant to his bid to be elected President. Three, now that this is about BOOKER'S qualifications, and not someone else, then we ought not engage in "whataboutism" and reference anyone else but Booker.

Does his admitted sexual assault matter? Why or why not?

He also sexually assaulted a man in a men's room. https://www.wibc.com/blogs/chicks-right ... lt-gay-man Believe the victim. Don't bring up how some folks didn't want to believe the victim in Kavanaugh or other cases - that's tu quoque and whataboutism. This is about Booker and his pattern of assaulting people.
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Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:57 pm

If Trump just continues to laugh, and mock Warren et al, they'll lose. (which of course means he'll win)
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:34 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:05 pm
Howard Schultz is pissing people off by demonstrating just how Left the Democrat Party has lurched. https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/p ... o-far-left
Schultz said the nation cannot afford the priorities of far-left Democrats, including full government-paid health insurance and college tuition. “We are sitting right now with a national debt of $21.5 trillion on the balance sheet of our country,” he said. “And if we were a company, if America was a company, at $21.5 trillion of debt, adding $1 trillion a year, we would be facing insolvency.”

In an interview on CBS’ This Morning, Schultz took issue with Senator (and presidential candidate) Kamala Harris’ (D-Calif.) plan to replace private health insurance with “Medicare for All.”

“You just played Senator Harris as saying she wants to abolish the insurance industry. That’s not correct. That’s not American,” Schultz said.

“What’s next?” Schultz asked. “What industry are we going to abolish next? The coffee industry?”
Could easily be paid for by reducing your ridiculous military budget.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:37 pm

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Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:05 pm
But Schultz is absolutely right about his fellow Democrats. As we have pointed out many times in this space, the Democratic Party has veered to the
extreme left in recent years. So far, in fact, that it is now embracing an economic agenda that is to the left of any other industrialized nation — including China.

Top Democrats have, for example, bear-hugged Bernie Sanders' radical "Medicare for all" plan, which promises "free" government-provided health care benefits more generous than any other nation, and that would cost trillions of dollars a year.
How is it more generous than any other nation?
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